re: Trying to stop child trafficking is now "Qanon-adjacent" and "paranoid"

someone please post all who posted on Page 17.

I miss your Q parodies

Not it

boosie, what is going on in this thread? Should I read all 41 pages?

I dunno. I only started reading when it devolved into a poop flinging contest the last few pages

Just make this the new Q thread

Got a good cast already. Add Bayou2 and Vox and it’s a fricking party

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Again you are arguing that sex trafficking does not occur in the U.S.

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Nothing I said even implied that.

Expanding a definition to includes more behaviors doesn't exclude the underlying behaviors. They're still there.

It's like autism. Just because the definition of the concept of autism has expanded the past 20 years doesn't mean what we traditionally think of as "autism" doesn't exist.

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Why are you so adamant on debasing the idea that there is trafficking at this very moment occurring in this country?

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This is a very good article on the big picture

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The tactics employed to "get tough" on drugs ended up entangling millions in the criminal justice system, sanctioning increasingly intrusive and violent policing practices, worsening tensions between law enforcement and marginalized communities, and degrading the constitutional rights of all Americans. Yet even as the drug war's failures and costs become more apparent, the Land of the Free is enthusiastically repeating the same mistakes when it comes to sex trafficking. This new "epidemic" inspires the same panicked rhetoric and punitive policies the war on drugs did—often for activity that's every bit as victimless.

Forcing others into sex or any sort of labor is abhorrent, and it deserves to be treated like the serious violation it is. But the activity now targeted under anti-trafficking efforts includes everything from offering or soliciting paid sex, to living with a sex worker, to running a classified advertising website.

What's more, these new laws aren't organic responses by legislators in the face of an uptick in human trafficking activity or inadequate current statutes. They are in large part the result of a decades-long anti-prostitution crusade from Christian "abolitionists" and anti-sex feminists, pushed along by officials who know a good political opportunity when they see it and by media that never met a moral panic they didn't like.

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From 2000 to 2002, the State Department claimed that 50,000 people were trafficked into the U.S. each year for forced sex or labor. By 2003, the agency reduced this estimate to 18,000–20,000, further reducing it to 14,500–17,500 in subsequent reports. That's a 71 percent decrease in just five years, though officials offered no explanation as to how they arrived at these numbers or what accounted for the drastic change. These days, federal agencies tend to stick to the vague "thousands" when discussing numbers of incoming victims.

Globally, some 600,000 to 800,000 people are trafficked across international borders each year, the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) estimates. But the Government Accountability Office (GAO) in 2006 described this figure as "questionable" due to "methodological weaknesses, gaps in data, and numerical discrepancies," including the rather astonishing fact that "the U.S. government's estimate was developed by one person who did not document all his work." And even if he had, there would still be good reasons to doubt the quality of the data, which were compiled from a range of nonprofits, governments, and international organizations, all of which use different definitions of "trafficking."

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A 2010 study from Rutgers University professors James Finckenauer and Ko-lin Chin took an in-depth look at Chinese women working in America's illicit massage parlors, which are routinely denounced by politicians as hotbeds of sexual slavery. Indeed, Finckenauer noted that 93 percent of the women he interviewed would be considered sex trafficking victims under common legal definitions, which include any person who arrives in a foreign country for sex work regardless of whether force or coercion is involved. Yet not one of the 149 Chinese women interviewed said she was sold into prostitution, and only one reported being forced or coerced into it. "There is more diversity among the parties involved in prostitution than is commonly supposed, and to portray them all in the same way as victims is an oversimplification," the researchers concluded.

Under federal law and most state laws, anyone under 18 who is engaged in prostitution is considered a sex trafficking victim. But study after study has found most youths in the sex trade do not have "pimps." And if they are forced or coerced into the work, it's often at the hands of a family member or romantic partner, not some child-snatching stranger.

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By any estimation, teen runaways make up a major proportion of underage individuals in prostitution, forced or otherwise. Runaways are especially likely to engage in what sociologists call "survival sex"—exchanging sex not for a set fee, but for food and a place to crash.

Sixty-eight percent of minors engaged in street-based prostitution in New York City say they've sought help from youth services organizations, according to Kate D'Adamo of the Sex Workers Project. "New York City funds roughly 200 beds for a population of 4,000 unaccompanied, homeless youth," D'Adamo told TechCrunch. "When all the beds are full, it is street economies like the sex trade which they turn to in order to provide basic needs. If we want to identify the most vulnerable, all we have to do is provide support when someone stands up and says 'I need a place to sleep tonight.'"

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And here's the real fuel:

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Expanding police/prosecutorial power to fight and profit from trafficking is also common. At least 21 states now allow police to use wiretapping in trafficking investigations. And many states allow asset forfeiture for those convicted of sex trafficking or prostitution. For instance, in Colorado, "every building or part of a building including the ground upon which it is situated and all fixtures and contents thereof, every vehicle, and any real property" are up for grabs if they've been used in conjunction with prostitution of any kind.

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Anytime government is trying to expand its power to intrude into our lives, ESPECIALLY when Civil Asset Forfeiture is a primary motivation, I think we should all be critical.

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And why are you so hung up on completely discrediting even the idea that some people do some really sick and twisted stuff in the name of “Satan”?

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I'm not. I don't think there is a widespread organized effort in doing so, as I've explained 100x.

It gests even more disingenuous when the population accused of engaging in this behavior JUST SO HAPPENS to be a perceived-partisan enemy.

But these mortal panics end up ensnaring innocent victims. We have seen where this goes before.

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And why did you have an occult deity as your profile picture for so long?

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If you think that's wild, you'd love my Kindle Library.

I own both Dogme Et Rituel De La Haute Magie volumes 1 and 2. .

I also listen to Occult-based podcasts regularly. I just downloaded an episode yesterday about an Occult Analysis of one of my favorite movies (Eyes Wide Shut).

I don't think it will top Vigilant Citizen's article, however. I can't believe that's 10 years old.

I also consume lots of content on Aliens, Bigfoot, all manner of demons, cults, etc. Have since I was a kid.

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Should I read all 41 pages?

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No. I can summarize

I make an intricate and detailed post, sometimes with citations.

The response is a lie (The typical one being some variation of me supporting human trafficking).

I respond with an intricate and detailed post and ask questions.

They refuse to answer and then claim I moved the goalposts or lied b/c I refuted their dishonesty.

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At this point, this thread has gone so far off the rails it is bigger than the topic. This thread is one for the ages! This has the makings of the infamous “Gaetz’s Arrest Is Imminent…” thread!