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Trump's EPA at it again

Posted on 8/1/17 at 1:11 pm
Posted by Jbird
In Bidenville with EthanL
Member since Oct 2012
73417 posts
Posted on 8/1/17 at 1:11 pm
The Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) said Tuesday it would forgive $20.7 million in federal drinking water fund debts owed by Flint, Mich.

The step comes as the EPA and the federal government make amends for the city’s drinking water crisis. The government approved $100 million in emergency funding for the city in March, and a government spending bill signed by President Trump in May directed the EPA to forgive Flint's Drinking Water State Revolving Fund (DWSRF) debts.

“Forgiving Flint’s past debt will better protect public health and reduce the costs associated with maintaining the city’s water system over time,” EPA Administrator Scott Pruitt said in a statement. “Forgiving the city’s debt will ensure that Flint will not need to resume payments on the loan, allowing progress toward updating Flint’s water system to continue.”

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Michigan Gov. Rick Snyder (R) said the loan forgiveness “will allow for state funding to be spent on high priority infrastructure needs that maintain recent water quality improvements and address public health concerns.”
Flint had incurred the debt through four DWSRF loans issued between 1999 and 2003. Michigan’s Department of Environmental Quality formally requested loan forgiveness for the city in May, the Flint Journal reported then.

The Drinking Water State Revolving Fund is an EPA program to provide federal funding to support upgrades to state and local drinking water systems.

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Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
98470 posts
Posted on 8/1/17 at 1:11 pm to
More evidence Trump hates black people.
Posted by footballtimeintn
Nashville
Member since Feb 2013
732 posts
Posted on 8/1/17 at 1:13 pm to
Even though its not fair and bails out the city, the people of Flint gaining nothing by the city paying this money back.

It should be spent on the infrastructure they need to ensure this doesn't happen again.
Posted by cjared036
Houston, tx
Member since Dec 2009
9569 posts
Posted on 8/1/17 at 1:13 pm to
Wisconsin and Michigan are just about locks for 2018(Kid Rock) and 2020


all trump needs to do now is replace JoePa's statute to keep Pennsylvania.

3D Chess
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
69250 posts
Posted on 8/1/17 at 1:16 pm to
How does a city end up with 20 million in water debt?

Just shut off the damn water when people don't pay.
Posted by graychef
Member since Jun 2008
28320 posts
Posted on 8/1/17 at 1:19 pm to

This post was edited on 3/5/21 at 1:52 pm
Posted by Wtodd
Tampa, FL
Member since Oct 2013
67482 posts
Posted on 8/1/17 at 1:20 pm to
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More evidence Trump hates black people



I wonder how the media will play this tho
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
126960 posts
Posted on 8/1/17 at 1:22 pm to
quote:

How does a city end up with 20 million in water debt?

Just shut off the damn water when people don't pay.
The debt wasn't from homeowners not paying their water bills. It was from an emergency loan made to the city by the EPA to fix their water system.

Geez, you continue to prove your idiocy.....

Posted by notsince98
KC, MO
Member since Oct 2012
17954 posts
Posted on 8/1/17 at 1:24 pm to
I hate handouts but this is a good move. They need help and the ability to use money towards upgrades.

This whole thing is a great example of how EPA/govt just screws things up and doesn't do what it was supposed to do. The feds wouldn't be out this money if they weren't in this business.
Posted by bmy
Nashville
Member since Oct 2007
48203 posts
Posted on 8/1/17 at 1:37 pm to
quote:


This whole thing is a great example of how EPA/govt just screws things up and doesn't do what it was supposed to do. The feds wouldn't be out this money if they weren't in this business.



Many small towns wouldn't have clean water without the state revolving fund. That program has been a massive success. It goes like this..

Water treatment facilities are required to self-report when they exceed effluent limits. If they are chronic offenders (often due to failing infrastructure) eventually the state initiates enforcement actions to force them to upgrade their facility. Problem is.. small (typically rural) towns don't have that kind of money laying around. The solution? Taxpayers give that small town an incredibly low interest rate loan (like near 0%) provided the infrastructure is upgraded.
This post was edited on 8/1/17 at 1:55 pm
Posted by notsince98
KC, MO
Member since Oct 2012
17954 posts
Posted on 8/1/17 at 1:43 pm to
quote:

Many small towns wouldn't have clean water without the state revolving fund. That program has been a massive success. It goes like this..

Water treatment facilities are required to self-report when the exceed effluent limits. If they are chronic offenders (often due to failing infrastructure) eventually the state initiates enforcement actions to force them to upgrade their facility. Problem is.. small (typically rural) towns don't have that kind of money laying around. The solution? Taxpayers give that small town an incredibly low interest rate loan (like near 0%) provided the infrastructure is upgraded.


Low interest rate loans can be handled through the free market too. Last I checked, it is fairly common.
Posted by CptBengal
BR Baby
Member since Dec 2007
71661 posts
Posted on 8/1/17 at 1:54 pm to
quote:

. It goes like this..

Water treatment facilities are required to self-report when the exceed effluent limits.


it's like you're a literal 25 IQ.
Posted by bmy
Nashville
Member since Oct 2007
48203 posts
Posted on 8/1/17 at 1:58 pm to
quote:


it's like you're a literal 25 IQ.


You don't think they self report?
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
69250 posts
Posted on 8/1/17 at 2:02 pm to
bmy, usually when the market isn't willing to provide an entity with the funds needed to build something, it is because they think the cost outweighs the returns. That's just called efficiency.

When the government uses guns to collect tax money to pay for something that people willingly would not devote resources to, it's an inefficient allocation of sresources.
Posted by CptBengal
BR Baby
Member since Dec 2007
71661 posts
Posted on 8/1/17 at 2:04 pm to
quote:

it's like you're a literal 25 IQ.


You don't think they self report?


They do you slovenly moron.

But only do so when they can offload the expense of cleanup/repair under another federal outlay.


I swear to god you have to be a fricking moron.
Posted by bmy
Nashville
Member since Oct 2007
48203 posts
Posted on 8/1/17 at 2:06 pm to
quote:


bmy, usually when the market isn't willing to provide an entity with the funds needed to build something, it is because they think the cost outweighs the returns. That's just called efficiency.


I have no problem getting rid of the program and telling farmer Joe and Bubba to deal with it.

They can't afford the infrastructure required for safe drinking water and they'll be forced to move to a city or to poison their children
This post was edited on 8/1/17 at 2:08 pm
Posted by Breesus
House of the Rising Sun
Member since Jan 2010
66982 posts
Posted on 8/1/17 at 2:06 pm to
How is this a bad thing?
Posted by CptBengal
BR Baby
Member since Dec 2007
71661 posts
Posted on 8/1/17 at 2:08 pm to
quote:

They can't afford the infrastructure required for safe drinking water and they'll be forced to move to a city




because the city squandered it on other progressive idiocy?

I really love the low level, like mensroom piss puddle level, analysis of your replies.

it's astounding.
Posted by TheFonz
Somewhere in Louisiana
Member since Jul 2016
20351 posts
Posted on 8/1/17 at 2:09 pm to
Every time I hear "EPA" I think of Walter Peck.



Shut that grid down, Walter. Do it.
This post was edited on 8/1/17 at 2:11 pm
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
69250 posts
Posted on 8/1/17 at 2:12 pm to
quote:

They can't afford the infrastructure required for safe drinking water and they'll be forced to move to a city or to poison their children
Well, my post history indicates I have issues with rural people complaining about hardship.
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