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re: Trump urges Ukraine to Meet with Russia "Immediately" in Turkey
Posted on 5/11/25 at 8:13 pm to John Barron
Posted on 5/11/25 at 8:13 pm to John Barron
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We all know Zelensky will refuse. He does not want a Peace Deal. He wants a Ceasefire to Rearm and Rest
This is Putin Propaganda. And weak sauce at that.
Anyone that is a serious person understands that ceasefire should be a pre-requisite for any meetings. Just look at India/Pakistan.
So if Putin really wants a peace deal, he will agree to a ceasefire before meeting with Z.
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Posted on 5/11/25 at 8:16 pm to LSURussian
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This thread is an example of that
This thread is an example of you being a retard. As you can see from the responses in this thread.. most posters agree with that. That is why your response below to Riverside's post got you 13 downvotes compared to 5 upvotes
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It’s an accurate summary of Trump’s Truth.
"It's not an accurate summary of Trump's X post copied and pasted in the OP.
"Agree immediately to meet on Thursday" is NOT the same as "Agree to meet immediately."
Understanding written English are hard.."
Posted on 5/11/25 at 8:16 pm to John Barron
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We all know Zelensky will refuse. He does not want a Peace Deal. He wants a Ceasefire to Rearm and Rest
He doesn’t want to give up Ukrainian territory. Neither do the people of the nation he leads.
It’s not an unfathomable position.
It may be silly from an outside perspective, but if you can’t understand why Ukraine takes the track it does in all this, you’re either dishonest or unintelligent
Posted on 5/11/25 at 8:18 pm to UptownJoeBrown
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You’re an idiot if you always refuse to meet with the other side. It’s not weakness.
Agree with that. Belligerents in war should always be willing to talk.
Posted on 5/11/25 at 8:20 pm to AGGIES
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Anyone that is a serious person understands that ceasefire should be a pre-requisite for any meetings.
2022 Peace Negotiations in Istanbul between Russia and Ukraine had no Ceasefire. Try again NAFO Fella
"No ceasefire was in place during the 2022 Istanbul peace negotiations between Russia and Ukraine, which occurred in March and April 2022. The talks, held primarily in Istanbul, Turkey, followed earlier meetings in Belarus, starting on February 28, 2022, just days after Russia’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine on February 24. Fighting continued throughout the negotiation period, with significant military activity, including Russian advances toward Kyiv and attacks on civilian areas."
Posted on 5/11/25 at 8:22 pm to AGGIES
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Anyone that is a serious person understands that ceasefire should be a pre-requisite for any meetings. Just look at India/Pakistan.
Should according to who? Dialogue is best, preconditions are just gravy.
Ukraine isn’t operating from a position of strength here. And frankly, there is an argument that Russia isn’t either. USSR/Russian conflicts haven’t gone any better than US wars have gone since 1945. Both blocs spent the Cold War mired in proxy conflicts that only weakened them. At some point the Russians are going to get fed up with it. Both sides need to get to a table and have frank negotiations, as soon as possible. Preconditions or not
This post was edited on 5/11/25 at 8:23 pm
Posted on 5/11/25 at 8:24 pm to Indefatigable
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Should according to who? Dialogue is best, preconditions are just gravy.
According to me. Dialogue with Russia is worth very little as their word is worth very little. Only actions matter.
Posted on 5/11/25 at 8:27 pm to AGGIES
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According to me. Dialogue with Russia is worth very little as their word is worth very little. Only actions matter.
Pragmatism matters. Western support isn’t going to last forever.
I entirely understand Ukraine’s position, but they aren’t in a place to demand anything at this point. It won’t get better for them. Better to negotiate while the EU, NATO, and the US still care.
Posted on 5/11/25 at 8:27 pm to Indefatigable
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He doesn’t want to give up Ukrainian territory
They should have Won on the battlefield then. Instead.. they lost. Losers can't make demands like they want their land back or they want a 30 day Ceasefire to rearm and rest. Ukraine should of thought about that before they started bombing their own Citizens in the Donbas and demanding they be in NATO. A classic case of FAFO
Posted on 5/11/25 at 8:28 pm to AGGIES
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Dialogue with Russia is worth very little as their word is worth very little. Only actions matter.
Russia captures a town a day lately. That’s ACTION. This war will end on Russia’s terms. Period.
Posted on 5/11/25 at 8:28 pm to John Barron
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They should have Won on the battlefield then
That isn’t the standard and you shouldn’t want it to be.
Posted on 5/11/25 at 8:36 pm to Indefatigable
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That isn’t the standard and you shouldn’t want it to be
The Standard isn't overthrowing a Democratically elected Yanukovych because he did not want to sign a IMF loan that would have handed over the country to the Deepstate/Globalist. The Standard also isn't bombing your own Citizens in the Donbas. Please don't gaslight me about Standards when we both know there was nothing "Standard" that led to the current situation
Posted on 5/11/25 at 8:37 pm to SwampMonster
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Russia captures a town a day lately. That’s ACTION. This war will end on Russia’s terms. Period.
That’s why Putin is refusing a ceasefire.
Posted on 5/11/25 at 8:40 pm to John Barron
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The Standard isn't overthrowing a Democratically elected Yanukovych because he did not want to sign a IMF loan that would have handed over the country to the Deepstate/Globalist.
you’ve watched too many internet videos. quote:
The Standard also isn't bombing your own Citizens in the Donbas
Has Russia not bombed its own citizens in the same region?
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Please don't gaslight me about Standards when we both know there was nothing "Standard" that led to the current situation
You are so broken. There was never, at any point, justification for Russia to invade Ukraine. Not in 2014, and not in 2022.
Posted on 5/11/25 at 9:03 pm to Indefatigable
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you’ve watched too many internet videos
Yanukovych's Decision: In late 2013, Yanukovych suspended negotiations for an EU Association Agreement, which included a potential IMF loan. The IMF's conditions reportedly involved economic reforms like privatization, subsidy cuts, and austerity measures. Instead, Yanukovych opted for a $15 billion bailout from Russia, which came with fewer immediate economic strings but aligned Ukraine closer to Moscow's orbit.
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Has Russia not bombed its own citizens in the same region?
No Russia was not bombing there own Citizens. It is well documented that Ukraine was bombing its own Citizens in the Donbas before Russia invaded
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There was never, at any point, justification for Russia to invade Ukraine
Incorrect. The moment the CIA/Victoria Nuland led a Coup to overthrow Yanukovych they should have Invaded the entire country Instead of just Crimea. Just like if China or Russia orchestrated a Coup in Mexico and wanted Mexico to join a military alliance with them we would have every right to invade Mexico
This post was edited on 5/11/25 at 9:06 pm
Posted on 5/11/25 at 10:09 pm to John Barron
Zelensky will refuse
It's stupid for Trump to attack/push away Putin & Russia when the opportunities to normalize relations and for massive economic deals are there for the taking.
Trump should have walked away from Ukraine months ago. It's clear you're not getting a deal while Zelensky remains in power. If Zelensky wants to take his entire country down with him, that's unfortunate for Ukrainians but it's not our mess. We can wash our hands of it. Trump needs to walk on Ukraine. That's his biggest/only real L so far. He should have listened to Witkoff. What's the point in antagonizing Putin in the tweet? Russia holds all the cards. Getting sucked into this when we have nothing to gain but lots to lose is so stupid. There must still be some Neocons in Trump's ear even after Waltz was removed.
It's stupid for Trump to attack/push away Putin & Russia when the opportunities to normalize relations and for massive economic deals are there for the taking.
Trump should have walked away from Ukraine months ago. It's clear you're not getting a deal while Zelensky remains in power. If Zelensky wants to take his entire country down with him, that's unfortunate for Ukrainians but it's not our mess. We can wash our hands of it. Trump needs to walk on Ukraine. That's his biggest/only real L so far. He should have listened to Witkoff. What's the point in antagonizing Putin in the tweet? Russia holds all the cards. Getting sucked into this when we have nothing to gain but lots to lose is so stupid. There must still be some Neocons in Trump's ear even after Waltz was removed.
Posted on 5/11/25 at 10:14 pm to Tom288
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There must still be some Neocons in Trump's ear even after Waltz was removed.
Most Definitely. Lindsey Graham and Tom Cotton to name a few.
Posted on 5/11/25 at 11:28 pm to John Barron
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Ukraine should of thought about that before they started bombing their own Citizens in the Donbas and demanding they be in NATO. A classic case of FAFO
If the Donbas region voted to join Russia, how was Ukraine bombing their own citizens? Also Russia has no problem bombing Ukrainian citizens either, so this seems an odd justification that Russia invaded, caused the deaths of hundreds of thousands, all because their original invasion caused the deaths of a few hundred?
Posted on 5/12/25 at 12:02 am to Buryl
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If the Donbas region voted to join Russia, how was Ukraine bombing their own citizens?
Military operations involving airstrikes and artillery in Donbas began under Turchynov in April 2014. The Donbas didn't become a part of Russia until September 27, 2022. The DPR and LPR conducted referendums on annexation by Russia. 99.23% in Donetsk and 98.42% in Luhansk voted to join Russia.
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