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re: Trump to order new census that excludes undocumented

Posted on 8/7/25 at 3:08 pm to
Posted by Sidicous
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Posted on 8/7/25 at 3:08 pm to
I am 61 years old and have had my hands on one census form in my life.
Posted by BFIV
Virginia
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Posted on 8/7/25 at 4:00 pm to
Judge Boesberg says, "Hold my beer.";
Posted by Stonehenge
Wakulla Springs
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Posted on 8/7/25 at 4:17 pm to
The midterms has Donnie very much afraid.
Posted by Marco_Duo
Member since Aug 2025
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Posted on 8/7/25 at 4:19 pm to
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Except for the fact that the same language appears verbatim in section 2 of the 14th amendment.
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Which, very clearly, was intended to reflect that freed slaves were now considered "whole number of persons" for enumeration purposes instead of 3/5ths of a person.

Which in turn might be important to liberals and other non-Textualists.

“Sure, they WROTE “whole number of persons in each State,” but that is not what they MEANT. So, let’s ignore those actual words and try to decide (200 years later) what we think they meant to write.”
This post was edited on 8/7/25 at 4:25 pm
Posted by back9Tiger
Island Coconut Salesman
Member since Nov 2005
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Posted on 8/7/25 at 4:22 pm to
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I believe this is just another Trump head fake since article two of the constitution says a census shall be undertaken every TEN years.


Does it say only every ten years? if not, it is implied that is at least every ten years. Just sayin'.
Posted by Marco_Duo
Member since Aug 2025
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Posted on 8/7/25 at 4:29 pm to
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It doesn’t say it can't happen more often. Just every ten as a minimum.
Well
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The actual Enumeration shall be made within three Years after the first Meeting of the Congress of the United States, and within every subsequent Term of ten Years, in such Manner as they shall by Law direct.
”The actual Enumeration” looks singular to me.


The implementing legislation is even more clear that there is to be only one census per decade, but (of course) Congress could always change that — if doing so did not contradict the actual language of the Constitution.
Posted by Veritas
Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 8/7/25 at 4:31 pm to
If anything, this will again point out how many illegals are in the country.
Posted by MemphisGuy
Germantown, TN
Member since Nov 2023
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Posted on 8/7/25 at 4:33 pm to
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Marco_Duo

Oh lookie... somebody done gone and got themselves one of those nice, spiffy, shiny alters. Ain't we lucky!
Posted by Rip Torn
Member since Mar 2020
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Posted on 8/7/25 at 5:04 pm to
So you agree with not counting illegals?
Posted by SallysHuman
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Posted on 8/7/25 at 5:12 pm to
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The actual Enumeration” looks singular to me.


It is.

Because it is referring to the initial enumeration.

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and within every subsequent Term of ten Years, in such Manner as they shall by Law direct.


Your second clause there states a minimum, not an exactitude.
Posted by MFn GIMP
Member since Feb 2011
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Posted on 8/7/25 at 5:35 pm to
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And there it is. Not taxed.

I would take that to court any day.

Playing Devil's Advocate the argument against that is Illegals still pay sales tax in whatever state they reside. Also, if they have stolen an SSN and are being paid with W-2 wages then they do have OASDI and federal taxes withheld. Now, we know they are not actually paying federal taxes because if they are doing that then they are filing and stealing significantly more in "credits" and "refunds" than they ever paid but it is a legal argument against that clause.
Posted by MFn GIMP
Member since Feb 2011
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Posted on 8/7/25 at 5:37 pm to
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I am 61 years old and have had my hands on one census form in my life.

I turned 40, exactly 2 weeks ago, and have not once talked to a census taker. They don't actually physically count every person they use statistical modeling.
This post was edited on 8/7/25 at 5:38 pm
Posted by MFn GIMP
Member since Feb 2011
23000 posts
Posted on 8/8/25 at 2:17 pm to
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“Sure, they WROTE “whole number of persons in each State,” but that is not what they MEANT. So, let’s ignore those actual words and try to decide (200 years later) what we think they meant to write.”

That's why I am an Originalist and not a textualist.
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