re: Trump to Impose External Tariff on Farmers?

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I’m reading a bunch of posts from a lot of different people that have no idea how farmers sell. It is actually laughable. Outside a few in border zones, no grain farmer is exporting their harvest. Farmers sell to the local grain buyer, and if they are big enough, they sell to the grain conglomerate, who then exports the grain or sells it internally. I can’t say for sure if produce farmers follow the same protocol, but most of them are in a co-op or some other marketing agency that buys their produce, then sells to the highest bidder. The fact that some on here think farmers have contracts with other countries to export their harvest unilaterally shows the vast disconnect that the average American has with how and where their food is grown. Too many generations off the farm

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What’s laughable is you’re missing the point. The point isn’t whether the farmer or a conglomerate is the one that does the final export, the point is it’s going to destroy the export market from our own newly created export tariffs on our sellers in addition to the obvious retaliatory tariffs from potential import countries (I.e doubling it all up).

That’s going to drive demand way down and will ultimately hurt the producers/farmers.

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That’s going to drive demand way down and will ultimately hurt the producers/farmers.

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And then the taxpayers will have to pick up the tab to subsidize the farmers.

Trump already did exactly this in his first term.

US Farmers Lost Billions to Trump-Era Retaliatory Tariffs—Statistic

Not that it will matter to the mouth breathing populists of the world, but this has already been done and we already know the results. They were exactly what anyone with two working brain cells to rub together would predict, and unless someone can explain why, there is exactly no reason to expect anything different this time.

The first time he did this Trump had to approve $28 Billion dollars in just a year and a half to bail American farmers out. That's more than we've given Israel in military aid since Oct 7th, for those of you who are consumed with concern about that.

Completely unforced error, and now he's going to do it again.

And ya'll will applaud like trained seals and yell, "Muh 'Merca Fust!"

And finally, if there was anything to be gained by these tariffs—which is what I keep being told—then why was it not gained in 2018 and 2019 when we did this the first time?

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Ugh, sounds like Trump is going to tariff American farmers for selling their stuff outside the US...?

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Jeez dude, each post on here and you get dumber and dumber. And its worse because you have the ability to look up definitions on the same device that you post on

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Tariffs are a form of tax applied on imports from other countries.

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Its absolutely mind boggling that you used a word in your post, and had no idea what it means, Imports. Tariffs only apply to imports

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Countries have used them to protect domestic industries, such as agriculture and renewable energy

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What hes doing is pretty common. It didnt need a dumb ill-informed thread about it. Nor someone trying to libsplain what Trump ISNT doing. Just because its Trump. Not because you even understand how it works

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As part of the agreement, China
committed to annually purchasing an average of $40 billion of agricultural goods, including seafood, from
the United States over calendar years 2020 and 2021, which is twice the amount of pre-trade dispute levels.

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Yeah, they signed the deal, all right. But then...


China Bought None Of The Extra Exports in Trump's Trade Deal

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In the end, China bought only 58 percent of the US exports it had committed to purchase under the agreement, not even enough to reach its import levels from before the trade war.[1] Put differently, China bought none of the additional $200 billion of exports Trump's deal had promised.

After two years of escalating tariffs and rhetoric about economic decoupling, the deal did little to reduce the uncertainty discouraging the business investment needed to restart US exports. Most of Trump's tariffs remained in effect, especially on inputs, raising costs to US companies. And by failing to negotiate the removal of China's retaliatory tariffs, the agreement may have funneled any Chinese demand for US exports away from China's private sector toward its state-owned enterprises.

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Yes, COVID was a significant part of this playing out the way it did, but the article also shows that China was never on pace to meet it's obligations, even before COVID happened, and American businesses...well, another quote from the article:

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But the pandemic was only one factor. Major American manufacturing sectors, for example, could not reverse their poor export performance in 2020–21. When confronted with trade war tariffs in 2018, some automakers moved their production out of the United States in order to maintain access to Chinese consumers. US aircraft sales plummeted in 2019, following crashes of Boeing's airplanes. In both sectors and despite the phase one agreement, US exports did not resume.

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Signing agreements is one thing. Fulfilling them with a country like China is a whole different thing. And American industries being able to constantly adapt to changing the trade rules frequently is a third thing.