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re: Trump threatens to send in Military and close Southern Border with Mexico
Posted on 10/18/18 at 9:15 am to antibarner
Posted on 10/18/18 at 9:15 am to antibarner
quote:
he word I saw is MAY
Then that's two hurdles to jump over. I overlooked that one.
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Posted on 10/18/18 at 9:16 am to Oilfieldbiology
Doesn’t international law dictate you have to move to the closest adjacent country for asylum? I was under the impression you couldn’t pass through countries on your way to another unless that country itself is part of the battle ground.
Inconvenient fact for Loserhog
Inconvenient fact for Loserhog
Posted on 10/18/18 at 9:16 am to bamarep
quote:
The constitution doesn't protect you from this. You don't get to openly support our nation being invaded without consequences.
Actually it does
Moron
Posted on 10/18/18 at 9:16 am to AggieHank86
quote:
I love the way one person can make an erroneous assertion, and it suddenly becomes a forum truism if it suits the prevailing narrative.
That is an EU regulation only. We do not live in the EU.
Read the Geneva Convention section on refugees and asylum, it is very clear and is the international law we agreed to abide by.
This has frick all to do with EU regulations although they were modeled on it.
Posted on 10/18/18 at 9:28 am to cave canem
quote:I have read it, and it does not say what you claim.quote:Read the Geneva Convention section on refugees and asylum, it is very clear and is the international law we agreed to abide by.
I love the way one person can make an erroneous assertion, and it suddenly becomes a forum truism if it suits the prevailing narrative.
That is an EU regulation only. We do not live in the EU.
This has frick all to do with EU regulations although they were modeled on it.
It SAYS that signatory nations must grant protections to refugees (here, Mexico would be the first signatory nation they enter). It DOES NOT limit the refugees to seeking asylum in that country.
AGAIN, the EU has a reg to that effect. It is NOT part of the UN Convention.
Here is a UK summary.. But please do post the Convention language on which you rely.
Posted on 10/18/18 at 9:31 am to Cruiserhog
quote:
like Trump you wingnuts dont understand the difference between illegals and refugees seeking asylum. There is no law that can stop a refugee from seeking asylum in the United States
They aren't refugees. If they were refugees they would have stopped in the 2 countries they passed through on the way here.
They are scamming the system.
Posted on 10/18/18 at 9:32 am to Cruiserhog
quote:
like Trump you wingnuts dont understand the difference between illegals and refugees seeking asylum. There is no law that can stop a refugee from seeking asylum in the United States. I do understand that brown people coming from other countries scares the shite out of Trump and his ignorant bigoted followers and even though this clown has disgraced and embarrassed this nation, less fortunates still believe this land offers better.
Meh, libtards like you didn't learn from the 2016 election that the more you lie about and insult Trump and his supporters then the more we will fight you and go to polls to vote against Dums.
You can RESIST! We will PERSIST!
Persistence outlasts resistance.
This post was edited on 10/18/18 at 10:01 am
Posted on 10/18/18 at 9:32 am to AggieHank86
Who gets to decide what constitutes a "refugee"?
Posted on 10/18/18 at 9:33 am to Da Sheik
It is ok for every country on earth to militarize their border but us for some reason 
Should have been done a long time ago.
Should have been done a long time ago.
Posted on 10/18/18 at 9:34 am to Cruiserhog
Get back in your hole in the side of the mountain.
fricking Arkansas posters -- wtf is in the water.
Hey Genius, why are they refugees????
WHY WHY WHY WHY???
War? Nope --- ECONOMICS.
These people are fleeing because of LIBERAL policies that your ignorant side wants to inact in this country.
10 years ago Venezuela was a rich nation. Now the people have to fight for WATER.
PS= You ignorant racist. Nobody cares what COLOR the immigrants are.
We care about their ability to PRODUCE or LEACH from this society.
Stupid people don't realize this, but when the takers TAKE more FREE shite, then the EARNERS can have stolen from them....... what happens next?
fricking Arkansas posters -- wtf is in the water.
Hey Genius, why are they refugees????
WHY WHY WHY WHY???
War? Nope --- ECONOMICS.
These people are fleeing because of LIBERAL policies that your ignorant side wants to inact in this country.
10 years ago Venezuela was a rich nation. Now the people have to fight for WATER.
PS= You ignorant racist. Nobody cares what COLOR the immigrants are.
We care about their ability to PRODUCE or LEACH from this society.
Stupid people don't realize this, but when the takers TAKE more FREE shite, then the EARNERS can have stolen from them....... what happens next?
Posted on 10/18/18 at 9:36 am to AggieHank86
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As Mexico is a contracting nation this is pretty clear, Mexico is also not allowed to issue transit visa's to anyone without a US visa
Quite simply the US is well within its rights to reject every single claim for asylum to anyone who passed through Mexico.
quote:
The Contracting States shall not impose penalties, on account of their
illegal entry or presence, on refugees who, coming directly from a territory
where their life or freedom was threatened in the sense of article 1, enter or
are present in their territory without authorization, provided they present
themselves without delay to the authorities and show good cause for their
illegal entry or presence.
As Mexico is a contracting nation this is pretty clear, Mexico is also not allowed to issue transit visa's to anyone without a US visa
quote:
1. The Contracting States undertake to issue transit visas to refugees who
have obtained visas for a territory of final destination.
Quite simply the US is well within its rights to reject every single claim for asylum to anyone who passed through Mexico.
Posted on 10/18/18 at 9:36 am to Balloon Huffer
You can have open borders or a robust social welfare system.
Pick one.
Pick one.
Posted on 10/18/18 at 9:36 am to Da Sheik
End all welfare for non citizens and these wagon trains of people will stop.
Posted on 10/18/18 at 9:37 am to Cruiserhog
quote:
like Trump you wingnuts dont understand the difference between illegals and refugees seeking asylum. There is no law that can stop a refugee from seeking asylum in the United States. I do understand that brown people coming from other countries scares the shite out of Trump and his ignorant bigoted followers and even though this clown has disgraced and embarrassed this nation, less fortunates still believe this land offers better.
Very few of them are actual 'refugees'. If that were the case they wouldn't make a dangerous long trek through 3 or 4 other countries to get here. In fact in the case of Nicaragua they would head east into South America to a place where they share the same language, customs, religion, etc.
But it isn't about that and you know it.
Posted on 10/18/18 at 9:38 am to Balloon Huffer
quote:
fricking Arkansas posters -
Hey now. There is a distinction between an Arkansas voter and a Hog voter. Arkansas is 100% Republican with their politics presently. Not many states can say that.
Posted on 10/18/18 at 9:38 am to I B Freeman
Are you just skipping over States rights IB?
Posted on 10/18/18 at 9:39 am to Da Sheik
MAGA 
Posted on 10/18/18 at 9:39 am to Y.A. Tittle
quote:To the best of my recollection, the term is defined in the 1951 Convention.
Who gets to decide what constitutes a "refugee"?
You are about to fall into the error of assuming that I contend these people are political refugees. I do not. I am simply correcting the oft-repeated error regarding “first country.”. I hate when people make stupid arguments, even when I agree with the (accidentally-correct) result.
As a signatory country, we must give a hearing to those claiming refugee status, if they get across our border. If we determine they are not refugees, we can throw them out. The easier approach is to not let them into the country, such that our obligations as a signatory country do not come into play in the first place.
This is why we have checkpoints and a Border Patrol.
Posted on 10/18/18 at 9:40 am to AggieHank86
quote:
You are about to fall into the error of assuming that I contend these people are political refugees.
This would be one more wrong assumption than I've made here.
Posted on 10/18/18 at 9:45 am to cave canem
All that is correct, but it DOES NOT mean that they are LIMITED to seeking asylum in Mexico.
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