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re: Trump threatens the New York Times

Posted on 3/30/17 at 11:34 am to
Posted by 9th life
birmingham
Member since Sep 2009
7310 posts
Posted on 3/30/17 at 11:34 am to
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You either fish a lot or have a parakeet




Nah, just try to make time in the morning to read the national section, and do the crossword puzzle in the afternoons to unwind after work. I prefer reading a hard copy much more than reading on my laptop or phone.
Posted by JuiceTerry
Roond the Scheme
Member since Apr 2013
40868 posts
Posted on 3/30/17 at 11:35 am to
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Probably. But the last twqo election cycles we had a President that
How not to start a rebuttal 101
Posted by The_Duke
Member since Nov 2016
4204 posts
Posted on 3/30/17 at 11:35 am to
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Well, there were the web sites etc.....however, the comment was made that nobody said Trump was literally anything. I proved that statement wrong, did I not?


Nobody of substance--and what websites? You mean the Tumblr and FB sites?

I can find stupid ppl on twitter that believe in Big Foot.
This post was edited on 3/30/17 at 11:37 am
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35374 posts
Posted on 3/30/17 at 11:38 am to
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How not to start a rebuttal 101
Boss to employee: You're not doing your job.

Employee to boss: But the guy before me did the same thing, nevermind that I was hired to not do what he did.
Posted by DawgsLife
Ellijay, Ga.
Member since Jun 2013
61871 posts
Posted on 3/30/17 at 11:39 am to
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No one ever said he was literally anything.


"If you don't understand that Donald Trump is literally Hitler, then you are what's wrong with this world." Now. You tell me. Has anybody ever said that Trump is literally anything?
Posted by DawgsLife
Ellijay, Ga.
Member since Jun 2013
61871 posts
Posted on 3/30/17 at 11:40 am to
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Nah, just try to make time in the morning to read the national section, and do the crossword puzzle in the afternoons to unwind after work. I prefer reading a hard copy much more than reading on my laptop or phone.



I actually miss the old days. I always looked forward to walking outside and picking up the paper, too!
Posted by Ingloriousbastard
Member since May 2015
917 posts
Posted on 3/30/17 at 11:41 am to
This is insanity. Then you have democrats accusing everything they don't agree with as being racist, while banning conservatives from giving speeches based on this principle. Freedom of speech has never been under more of an attack.
Posted by lsu2006
BR
Member since Feb 2004
40090 posts
Posted on 3/30/17 at 11:42 am to
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Yes you can. Do you understand libel law at all?

Yes, yes I do. You can't just say whatever you want without regard for truth. Which is what you were basically implying.
Posted by DawgsLife
Ellijay, Ga.
Member since Jun 2013
61871 posts
Posted on 3/30/17 at 11:43 am to
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How not to start a rebuttal 101


Yet no rebuttal to my point that Obama concentrated on stuff he shouldn't have?

I agree with you to a point. I wish Trump would stay off twitter, but unfortunately, that is the world today. I would guess that every President from here on out will pick up that habit, for better or.....no....for worse. Just not a good habit. however, to insinuate that Trump is the first President to respond to stuff that is none of their business is incorrect. And I think you would agree with that statement, would you not?
Posted by AggieDub14
Oil Baron
Member since Oct 2015
15094 posts
Posted on 3/30/17 at 11:44 am to
What a baby. What a Cheeto dusted baby.
Posted by 9th life
birmingham
Member since Sep 2009
7310 posts
Posted on 3/30/17 at 11:45 am to
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You're wasting your money. Again, it's pretty sad what's happened to them from an editorial standpoint. I miss reading the old version of that paper. Grabbing a copy of the Sunday edition (which was available on Saturday evenings) was entertaining.


I don't really read editorials any longer. Jarvis DeBerry at the Times-Pic broke me of that habit about 15 years ago.

Posted by DawgsLife
Ellijay, Ga.
Member since Jun 2013
61871 posts
Posted on 3/30/17 at 11:45 am to
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Boss to employee: You're not doing your job.

Employee to boss: But the guy before me did the same thing, nevermind that I was hired to not do what he did.


I would have to ask the boss why he allowed the guy in my job to not do his job. If taken to court, I would win, too.


Look, I am not defending Trump. Merely pointing out that Obama did the same thing and I would bet that neither of you said a word. Why is it an issue now?
Posted by HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
Member since Feb 2017
12458 posts
Posted on 3/30/17 at 11:47 am to
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Yes, yes I do. You can't just say whatever you want without regard for truth. Which is what you were basically implying.


Absolutely you can.

You can lie all you want, you can KNOWINGLY lie, you can tell the truth about people if it destroys their careers, or even if it drives them to suicide, That's legal.


The ONLY caveat under current law is that you can be sued in civil court IF what you said can be proven to be untrue and it can be proven that you knew it was untrue AND if it can be proven that your statements caused the other party actual damages.

Without those 3 factors, libel laws don't come into play, and at no point is there any criminality involved. Perhaps there should be.

Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
62622 posts
Posted on 3/30/17 at 11:47 am to
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I don't really read editorials any longer. Jarvis DeBerry at the Times-Pic broke me of that habit about 15 years ago.



Not Editorials. (e)ditorial choices in all sections.
Posted by DawgsLife
Ellijay, Ga.
Member since Jun 2013
61871 posts
Posted on 3/30/17 at 11:47 am to
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I don't really read editorials any longer. Jarvis DeBerry at the Times-Pic broke me of that habit about 15 years ago.


Unfortunately all the news we get today is one big editorial. They all color the news with their opinions and slants.

CNN, Breitbart, MSNBC, FOX, Huffington Post....and the list goes on and on. Nobody reports the facts anymore. they just report their perceptions and opinions.
Posted by lsu2006
BR
Member since Feb 2004
40090 posts
Posted on 3/30/17 at 11:51 am to
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you can KNOWINGLY lie

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IF what you said can be proven to be untrue and it can be proven that you knew it was untrue

Uhh, these statements contradict themselves.
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Without those 3 factors, libel laws don't come into play, and at no point is there any criminality involved.

Ok, so we're talking about criminal liability? All I'm asserting is that you will be open to civil liability for knowingly making false statements about a public figure and it causes them damage. That means you can't just say whatever the hell you want without concern for the truth without some kind of recourse.
Posted by boogiewoogie1978
Little Rock
Member since Aug 2012
19488 posts
Posted on 3/30/17 at 11:52 am to
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But they're his go-to source?


Only if it pushes his narrative baw. Haven't you been paying attention?
Posted by lsu2006
BR
Member since Feb 2004
40090 posts
Posted on 3/30/17 at 11:52 am to
I'm not really a fan of the idea of criminally punishing speech that doesn't lead to lawless action
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35374 posts
Posted on 3/30/17 at 11:52 am to
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I would have to ask the boss why he allowed the guy in my job to not do his job. If taken to court, I would win, too
What? In my scenario, that's why the first guy doesn't have a job. So you think you'll win by doing the same thing that he was fired for in the first place?
Posted by League Champs
Bayou Self
Member since Oct 2012
10340 posts
Posted on 3/30/17 at 11:53 am to
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Examples, please?

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The New York Times: 74-year-old Jessica Leeds of New York told the paper that Trump groped her on a flight more than 30 years ago.

And there was even an eyewitness to the events, that the NYT never bothered to contact
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