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re: Trump: “The traitors that told the military to disobey my orders should be in jail”

Posted on 11/23/25 at 4:52 pm to
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 11/23/25 at 4:52 pm to
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Every single one



Why lie?

Again, the specific language at issue it this:

quote:

"You can refuse illegal orders. You must refuse illegal orders. No one has to carry out orders that violate the law or our Constitution,"


Which of those examples has a clear, lawful message comparable to that one?

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As a non-lawyer, I can cite 50 or 60 more cases EASILY.

Again, you can cite as many irrelevant cases as you want. It won't change things or support your argument.

Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 11/23/25 at 4:52 pm to
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irrelevant examples
You are better than that.
You did not read any of them.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 11/23/25 at 4:54 pm to
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You are better than that.
You did not read any of them.

I can read the holdings and know the words being analyzed are not anything like this:

quote:

"You can refuse illegal orders. You must refuse illegal orders. No one has to carry out orders that violate the law or our Constitution,"


Because that is clear and unequivocal. No secondary interpretation needed like the reasoning in the cases you linked.
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 11/23/25 at 4:55 pm to
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I can read the holdings
I'm sure you "can." So do it.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 11/23/25 at 4:58 pm to
You're doing the medical equivalent of asking me to give 7 physicals of cadavers who coded 3 hours prior, to ensure they're dead.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 11/23/25 at 5:04 pm to
I used Gemini to get the applicable language, so if it's wrong, that's your fault.

Elonis:

quote:

There’s one way to love you but a thousand ways to kill you. I’m not going to rest until your body is a mess, soaked in blood and dying from all the little cuts.


Not applicable or relevant

VA v. Black

Cross burning. Not applicable or relevant

Jefferies

quote:

Take my child and I'll take your life... I guarantee you, if you don't stop, I'll kill you.


Not applicable or relevant

Mafia cases: required a long-time study and expert testimony of agents to decode inapplicable language like this

quote:

Gotti: Referring to a victim who needed to be silenced: "We're gonna have to isolate him" or "create a severed relationship."

Gigante ("The Chin"): He rarely spoke on the phone, but when he did, he used phrases like "Do the work" or simply rubbed his chin to order a hit.


Hanse

quote:

Hansen told victims that if they paid him for adoption, "Immigration cannot touch you."


Fraudulent statement that was not in line with the law. Not applicable or relevant.

Weimert

quote:

Weimert created the impression that: "The seller wants me to have a piece of the deal." (When, in fact, the seller didn't care).


Again, untruthful and fraudulent. Not applicable to a lawful statement

Abu Ali

quote:

"Getting married" = Participating in a martyrdom operation/bombing.

"Playing soccer" = Training for jihad.

"Buying books" = Obtaining weapons or funding.


Like the mob cases, relied on long-standing analysis and experts. Also the language was only unlawful, just interpreted as unlawful. There was no lawful and clear equivocation at issue.

Jackson

quote:

"You know what happens if you talk." (Or variations such as "I'd hate to see something happen to you."


So literally NONE of these are comparable to this

quote:

"You can refuse illegal orders. You must refuse illegal orders. No one has to carry out orders that violate the law or our Constitution,"
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 11/23/25 at 5:05 pm to
PASTE #2

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Who has been prosecuted for sedition involving only interpretation when the statement also included clear language that specifically addressed only unlawful and illegal behavior?
This post was edited on 11/23/25 at 5:06 pm
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 11/23/25 at 5:06 pm to
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You're doing the medical equivalent of asking me to give 7 physicals of cadavers who coded 3 hours prior, to ensure they're dead.
Stay away from medical analogies. They won't serve well.

I'm simply telling you,
I can cite a litany of legal examples.
Rebut two or three of the 50 or so of your choice.

Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 11/23/25 at 5:07 pm to
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I can cite a litany of legal examples.

And like I've told you twice, you can cite as many irrelevant examples as you want. They have no value to the discussion.

I'm waiting for the first relevant legal example.
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 11/23/25 at 5:08 pm to
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so if it's wrong, that's your fault.
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 11/23/25 at 5:15 pm to
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And like I've told you twice, you can cite as many irrelevant examples as you want.
You have no clue as to WTF those examples even are. Yours is an extraordinarily lazy retort and noted in this instance.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 11/23/25 at 5:16 pm to
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You have no clue as to WTF those examples even are.

I literally went through them one by one
Posted by djsdawg
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Posted on 11/23/25 at 5:17 pm to
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The implication seems to be an angle you're pushing that they did not directly


The press release was pointless without the false implication.

For you to act like the implication isn’t obvious is right on point though.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 11/23/25 at 5:18 pm to
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The press release was pointless without the false implication.

Not pointless. See: the OP in this thread.
Posted by Jbird
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Posted on 11/23/25 at 5:22 pm to
4obtuseberg still putting in work.

Others are melting

Not slowfanipro
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
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Posted on 11/23/25 at 5:25 pm to
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For you to act like the implication isn’t obvious


Its not, to anyone objective.

Your influencers are lying to you again.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 11/23/25 at 5:25 pm to
I'm watching the Saints game and posting between plays.

I don't know how you'd interpret anything I said as melting
Posted by antibarner
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Posted on 11/23/25 at 5:26 pm to
Yes it was and Slotkin dug a deeper hole with a Nuremberg reference, as did Crow with a pack of BS.

Law Barbie needs to charge them because they need to suffer consequences for what they have dome, if nothing else be forced to defend themselves in court.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 11/23/25 at 5:29 pm to
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Law Barbie needs to charge them

The DOJ has had a bad enough week

Why do you want to make them reach total clown show status?

Why play into the "MAGA stupidity" trope and give them such an easy win?

quote:

because they need to suffer consequences for what they have dome,


They will emerge victorious and empowered and the admin will look like absolute irrational-emotional retards. Why do you think that's a good result?

I will never understand why so many MAGA types willingly support suicide politically-rhetorically like your post. Just self-sabotage constantly for emotional reacts
This post was edited on 11/23/25 at 5:30 pm
Posted by Jbird
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Posted on 11/23/25 at 5:43 pm to
Same as you claiming I melted 4boasberg.
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