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re: Trump should get the FEMA director the hell out of bed, to get supplies to this ER Nurse

Posted on 3/28/20 at 4:18 am to
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 3/28/20 at 4:18 am to
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she has more courage and class
But that really is not what this thread is about. This thread is about culpability.

"Trump should get the FEMA director the hell out of bed," is a statement intimating the FEMA Director is not only at fault, but lazing in bed while people die.

Yet, Trump's FEMA Director receives salary the equivalent of a low level Hospital Administrator. Now that doesn't excuse the FEMA Director if he/she underperforms. But it does call to question WTF hospital administrators are being paid to do. Where does culpability really rest.

Medical Center Presidents and VP's are extremely well compensated. E.g., Our local dude pulls $7.25 Million/year plus comps. 15-20 of his underlings draw 7 digit salaries. Now that is a-okay in my mind, as long as they earn their pay. But they don't.

Why are these million dollar administrators not on TV, on video, and in interviews pleading their case for more supplies?

They aren't making appearances because they are inevitably the ones responsible for the problem. They didn't/don't anticipate. They ordered paper thin inventories, shoestring staffing, and make-do attitudes right up until Covid-19 was at their doors. Too often they are clueless incompetents who'd be fired for similar performance in corporate America.

Now they are cowing down in uninfected settings, drinking coffee and running powerpoint presentations, while arguments persist outside between their frontline staff and the Federal Government over "getting supplies to this ER Nurse."

It is bizarre that bright posters here would be so gullible as to the diversion.
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
173802 posts
Posted on 3/28/20 at 4:25 am to
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They aren't making appearances because they are inevitably the ones responsible for the problem. They didn't/don't anticipate. They ordered paper thin inventories, shoestring staffing, and make-do attitudes right up until Covid-19 was at their doors.

From the looks of things you're about to see the same thing happen in New Jersey

Expect the death toll to rise there dramatically over the course of the week

They've already found 43 nursing homes with residents infected. Some have already died but those numbers are accounted for already.


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State Health Commissioner Judy Persichilli said at least 43 of New Jersey's 375 long term care facilities have a case of the virus.

St. Joseph's in Woodbridge, where residents were moved this week to a facility in Whippany, has at least 24 cases, including five of its 78 staff members. Three residents there have died, and more residents and staff are symptomatic.




They've already had 81 nursing home deaths in the state btw

LINK

Then from another article:

quote:

Hospitals in New Jersey hardest hit by the coronavirus pandemic are bracing for a surge in patients needing critical care as the number of confirmed cases in the state reaches almost 9,000.

Doctors and nurses say they are already running low on N95 masks, gowns and other protective personal equipment known as "PPE." They're also facing potential staffing shortages and need more intensive care beds.

New Jersey has the second highest number of cases in the country after New York. At least 2,000 people are hospitalized in New Jersey; another 108 people have died.

"It's the numbers that are going to kill us," said Sue Scaglione, a per diem nurse at Bayshore Medical Center in Holmdel. "We're going to have too many people in need of high-level nursing care and medical care and not enough people to fill those roles."




quote:

Dr. Mark Einstein from University Hospital in Newark said he's planning for the surge and also for worst-case scenarios.

"We have a lot of plans in place for how we're going to be ethically deciding some decisions between bad and worse if we have more patients than we have the capabilities of being able to manage," he said.


New Jersey Hospitals Brace for Surge
This post was edited on 3/28/20 at 4:26 am
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 3/28/20 at 4:29 am to
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So you think the sudden influx of scores of patients with a potentially serious respiratory disease should be factored into the supply chain and in inventory?
NO!

Not in December 2019, perhaps not even in January2020.

However by February influx of scores of patients with a potentially serious respiratory disease should have been a factor "in the supply chain and inventory." Hell, some of these facilities didn't even begin the procurement process until their already thin inventories were completely emptied. Even then, they were slow to act. "We can't order all those PPE's because we'll be over budget."

No excuse.
Sorry.

Posted by Revelator
Member since Nov 2008
62083 posts
Posted on 3/28/20 at 4:42 am to
The woman says in the video that her hospital is so low on supplies, they ran out of Tylenol.
I can go to my local Dollar General today and get Tylenol, but I’m supposed to believe her hospital can’t get any?
How isn’t this pure sensationalism?
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
173802 posts
Posted on 3/28/20 at 4:57 am to
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I can go to my local Dollar General today and get Tylenol, but I’m supposed to believe her hospital can’t get any?

That's not normally how they procure things

What it sounds like is the management and procurement directors are lazy
Posted by trinidadtiger
Member since Jun 2017
19988 posts
Posted on 3/28/20 at 5:05 am to
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The woman says in the video that her hospital is so low on supplies, they ran out of Tylenol.
I can go to my local Dollar General today and get Tylenol, but I’m supposed to believe her hospital can’t get any?
How isn’t this pure sensationalism?


Maybe because her fat arse is too busy posting instead of getting in the car and going to buy some?

All I know is I see some people wanting their 15 minutes of fame on line ALONG WITH pictures of respirators sitting in a warehouse FLOWN INTO NYC days ago.

You honestly believe a city that supply 100s of thousands of restaurants, markets, grocery stores, bars, with what they need every day.....cannot figure out how to distribute to a few thousand medical facilities. If thats the case its due to the bureaucracy and they need to reach out to the private sector to fix it for them.

And it isnt supply, if it was there would not be respirators stacked up to their arse in a warehouse.
Posted by Kickadawgitfeelsgood
Lafayette LA
Member since Nov 2005
14090 posts
Posted on 3/28/20 at 5:15 am to
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What it sounds like is the management and procurement directors are lazy


Verification and maintaining product levels is not required by this administration. Why would you expect a hospital to do so?
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
173802 posts
Posted on 3/28/20 at 5:16 am to
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Why would you expect a hospital to do so?



Because that's their job?
Posted by Kickadawgitfeelsgood
Lafayette LA
Member since Nov 2005
14090 posts
Posted on 3/28/20 at 5:24 am to
Was it not the “job” of the Trump administration to verify the current levels of medical supplies and equipment in our country’s stockpile, as required by law?

3.5 years on the job and this administration had no idea the stockpile was depleted?
Posted by trinidadtiger
Member since Jun 2017
19988 posts
Posted on 3/28/20 at 5:40 am to
Kick,

With every post you fulfill the old adage of opening your mouth and removing any doubt as to whether you are foolish or not. Quite funny though, and he will be your president for another five years.
Posted by Kickadawgitfeelsgood
Lafayette LA
Member since Nov 2005
14090 posts
Posted on 3/28/20 at 5:40 am to
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They ordered paper thin inventories, shoestring staffing, and make-do attitudes right up until Covid-19 was at their doors.


No different than the Trump administration.
Posted by Kickadawgitfeelsgood
Lafayette LA
Member since Nov 2005
14090 posts
Posted on 3/28/20 at 5:43 am to
The questions I asked were not intended for a specific poster to this forum. Feel free to answer them.
Posted by IslandBuckeye
Boca Chica, Panama
Member since Apr 2018
10067 posts
Posted on 3/28/20 at 5:44 am to
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No different than the Trump administration.



The circumstances of the prior admin was different. They were coming off of a pandemic. These supplies should have been replenished immediately. POTUS may shoulder some blame, but it pales in significance.
Posted by Wtodd
Tampa, FL
Member since Oct 2013
68544 posts
Posted on 3/28/20 at 5:51 am to
Trump is telling the states to do what they need to do....everyone wants less Fed but keeps asking for more Fed.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
139071 posts
Posted on 3/28/20 at 6:49 am to
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Maybe because her fat arse is too busy posting instead of getting in the car and going to buy some?
Not her job. Nor would she be authorized to distribute the pills.

Powerman is dead on. The thing reeks of lazy, ineffective or incompetent administrators
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
139071 posts
Posted on 3/28/20 at 6:53 am to
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Was it not the “job” of the Trump administration to verify the current levels of medical supplies and equipment in our country’s stockpile
Yes.
The CDC underperformed . . . again.
Posted by Kickadawgitfeelsgood
Lafayette LA
Member since Nov 2005
14090 posts
Posted on 3/28/20 at 7:02 am to
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The circumstances of the prior admin was different. They were coming off of a pandemic. These supplies should have been replenished immediately. POTUS may shoulder some blame, but it pales in significance.


bS. If you know there is a hurricane coming , you prepare or make sure the preparation you assuage is ready to go is ready to go.

Trump is equally at fault, except in his mind and the mind of his sheep.

Credit to those who are willing to admit this as fact. NC is a doctor(if I’m not mistaken). He just admitted their is equal blame. Props to him
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 3/28/20 at 7:04 am to
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Trump is equally at fault,
Trump is at fault for not personally inventorying masks for the CDC? Come on!

Equally at fault with Obama? Okay.



Posted by Kickadawgitfeelsgood
Lafayette LA
Member since Nov 2005
14090 posts
Posted on 3/28/20 at 7:04 am to
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NC


Assuming you are a doctor, like I seem to remember you being.I wish you the best in these times stay safe
Posted by ApexTiger
cary nc
Member since Oct 2003
56554 posts
Posted on 3/28/20 at 7:06 am to
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how is this on the FEMA director?



they are commissioned by POTUS to re-direct materials where they are needed most
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