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re: Trump promoting a 50 year mortgage. Dave Ramsey will lose his mind. Terrible idea - imo

Posted on 11/9/25 at 1:15 pm to
Posted by the808bass
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Posted on 11/9/25 at 1:15 pm to
Turrible.

But unsurprising.
Posted by SDVTiger
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Posted on 11/9/25 at 1:22 pm to
Why is it terrible?

Everyone complains about affordability. A solution is presented then everyone complains about it

This is why conservatives always lose
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 11/9/25 at 1:24 pm to
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Everyone complains about affordability. A solution is presented then everyone complains about it

People are complaining about affordability to own the home, not the monthly payment like we're doing a four square at a car dealership.

Conceptualizing this argument in terms of monthly payment is a lower-level way of discussing the issue.
Posted by SDVTiger
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Posted on 11/9/25 at 1:34 pm to
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People are complaining about affordability to own the home, not the monthly payment


So the monthly payment doesnt factor inro affordability?

This is like you trying to tell everyone that values wont go up over time

Then you show are chart that shows that they always do
Posted by DemonKA3268
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Posted on 11/9/25 at 1:42 pm to
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No. Will make home prices go up even more.


Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 11/9/25 at 1:42 pm to
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So the monthly payment doesnt factor inro affordability?


Literally covered in my post

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Conceptualizing this argument in terms of monthly payment is a lower-level way of discussing the issue.


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This is like you trying to tell everyone that values wont go up over time


Again, you are mis-quoting me.

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The question is what happens when houses aren't appreciating assets anymore (for a sizeable amount of time, not in perpetuity obviously)


You're specifically ignoring what I actually said and just making shite up, as you're known to do.
Posted by Taxing Authority
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Posted on 11/9/25 at 1:52 pm to
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So the monthly payment doesnt factor inro affordability?
Hell yeah it does!

quote:

Buyers: "How much will this house cost me?"

Sellers: "What's your budget?"

Buyers: "Well, it was 500K, but with these new fifty year mortgages, I think it could stretch to million."

Sellers: "I have an astonishing coincidence to report."

Shamelessly stolen from: LINK
Posted by MemphisGuy
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Posted on 11/9/25 at 2:02 pm to
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A solution is presented then everyone complains about it

Just because it's a solution doesn't mean it's not a stupid solution. You cannot honestly and with a straight face think that a 50 year mortgage is a good idea. You just can't.
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 11/9/25 at 2:04 pm to
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Literally covered in my post


No we are talking about affordibility to buy homes which the only thing ppl care about is the payment. You are literally not talking about that and trying to seem smart

You along with many others are the ones making up nonsense. You proved that by burning yiurself with your own appreciation chart
Posted by SDVTiger
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Posted on 11/9/25 at 2:06 pm to
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Just because it's a solution doesn't mean it's not a stupid solution. You cannot honestly and with a straight face think that a 50 year mortgage is a good idea. You just can't.


Umm yeah i can. Its no different than a 30yr. You and everyone cannot give any reason why its not a good idea other than values will go up

Thats it. Oh and muh interest. And you are the ones claiming someone will sit in a loan for 50yrs making the same payment
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 11/9/25 at 2:07 pm to
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No we are talking about affordibility to buy homes which the only thing ppl care about is the payment.

That's a pivot, and I already covered that

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People are complaining about affordability to own the home, not the monthly payment like we're doing a four square at a car dealership.


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You are literally not talking about that and trying to seem smart

I specifically covered that (see above)

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You proved that by burning yiurself with your own appreciation chart

Again, you're just making shite up.
Posted by MemphisGuy
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Posted on 11/9/25 at 2:09 pm to
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And you are the ones claiming someone will sit in a loan for 50yrs making the same payment


Because most of them will. Or they'll sell and get another 50 year mortgage. Very few will get a 50 yr mortgage, double up on payments and pay it off in 10 years or whatever.

They may as well just rent.
Posted by SDVTiger
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Posted on 11/9/25 at 2:12 pm to
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Because most of them will


This is why no one can take you serious

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Or they'll sell and get another 50 year mortgage


Like they do with a 30yr

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They may as well just rent.


This is genius advice
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 11/9/25 at 2:12 pm to
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They may as well just rent.


Assuming rents don't get wonky and expensive in an outlier way (which is typically only temporary over a much shorter period than 50 years), the 50-year mortgage becomes clearly the riskier bet. You're giving up whatever the down payment is (and its appreciation over 50 years), all maintenance/repair/insurance costs (and the massive risk), and if RE prices decline, then you save on rent.

If you need a 50-year mortgage, you can't actually afford the house.
This post was edited on 11/9/25 at 2:13 pm
Posted by Wednesday
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Posted on 11/9/25 at 2:13 pm to
1- It’s a far more workable solution than rent control

2-it’s a hedge against increasing rent, which is the biggest problem facing young people

3-it’s an appreciating asset so the equity in it will naturally also increase even if they’re making minimum payments

4-nothing prevents anyone from paying early

5-increases stability in communities

6-it creates a heritable asset

7-I’d much rather see someone finance a house for fifty years than rent a house till they’re fifty.

8-it’s feasible if there were age limits, and down payment requirements for qualifying

9-creates greater demand, and thus increases existing home value without flooding market with cheap supply

10-nothing prevents anyone from purchasing 15/20/30 yr mortgages
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
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Posted on 11/9/25 at 2:14 pm to
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If you need a 50-year mortgage, you can't actually afford the house


Then this also applies to a 30yr fix

So in other words no one should but a home according to our Real Estate Expert
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 11/9/25 at 2:15 pm to
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Then this also applies to a 30yr fix


Again, you're just making shite up. The fact that you make shite up confidently doesn't affect its legitimacy.
Posted by MemphisGuy
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Posted on 11/9/25 at 2:19 pm to
All very good points, Wednesday.
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
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Posted on 11/9/25 at 2:19 pm to
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Again, you're just making shite up


Please breakdown how im making shite up?

You just say that when you get caught looking like a fool
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 11/9/25 at 2:20 pm to
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All very good points, Wednesday.


But its a terrible idea!!!
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