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re: Trump: Many countries will be sending ships to help keep the Strait of Hormuz open

Posted on 3/14/26 at 1:28 pm to
Posted by davyjones
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Posted on 3/14/26 at 1:28 pm to
You think destroying an active operation planning and preparing to execute a deadly attack on or within our country is foolish? Perhaps we didn’t fully know the extent to which al Qaeda was doing so, as well as the extent to which the Afghan Taliban “government” was aiding and supporting and protecting them during the planning and preparation for 9/11, yet if we did crack the code on that intelligence, preemptive strikes would have been something you’d have opposed?
Posted by Adam Banks
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Posted on 3/14/26 at 1:31 pm to
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You think destroying an active operation planning and preparing to execute a deadly attack on or within our country is foolish?




The people who participated in the attack were in America.





Neutralize them.
Posted by Tammany Tom
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Posted on 3/14/26 at 1:33 pm to
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That’s because you think I am a Trump apologist, I am not but I am capable of not actively rooting against the nation at the same time


What if this war hurts the overwhelming majority of Americans and only helps an extremely small percentage of elite people?

You do realize that most wars only benefit a small number of people. The majority of wars are fought only to enrich a small minority. They use their power to mislead the average American in understanding why this war is being fought.

Thus…
“Spread of communism in Vietnam”

“Weapons of mass destruction”

“Iran is close to. Having nuclear weapons”
Posted by davyjones
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Posted on 3/14/26 at 1:34 pm to
So let me get this straight, hypothetically speaking, knowing of the planning and preparation in a given foreign country, avoid any action in favor of allowing the participants to arrive here, and then at that point take action?
Posted by JimEverett
Member since May 2020
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Posted on 3/14/26 at 1:35 pm to
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the Save Act is the fault of the Republican Senate.

I agree. But Trump deserved blame as well.

I have seen Presidents push Congress hard for legislative achievements. Trump sort of pressed Congress for the BBB. But that is it. Nothing else. He pays lip service to some things like judicial appointments as the SAVE Act - but he really is not invested in getting Congress to codify any of his EOs or important legislation like the SAVE Act.
Instead, he is infatuated with a Nobel Peace Prize and foreign affairs in general. That is where the energy of this term has been. From a legislative angle it has been a complete waste and Trump deserves partial blame for that.
Posted by Tammany Tom
Mandeville
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Posted on 3/14/26 at 1:35 pm to
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The people who participated in the attack were in America


Our intelligence agencies knew the attack was coming. They were complicit.

I know no one wants to believe that and will attack anyone who says it, but the truth hurts.
Posted by The_Duke
Member since Nov 2016
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Posted on 3/14/26 at 1:39 pm to
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Instead of focusing on Trump trying to get others involved, which would be a huge benefit to our troops, you want to focus on the literallness of his words. You don't care that it may help end the war quicker. You only care that you can whine about it.


You think the best way to get other countries to help is by tweeting at them? You really believe that's a good war strategy?
Posted by Adam Banks
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Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 3/14/26 at 1:40 pm to
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So let me get this straight, hypothetically speaking, knowing of the planning and preparation in a given foreign country, avoid any action in favor of allowing the participants to arrive here, and then at that point take action?




Hypothetically speaking I think that we have enough special forces and intelligence to keep the US safe without the world ie the press ever knowing.


Hence why you have one example since Pearl Harbor which was extremely poorly conceived given actions performed within our own borders could have prevented it.


They literally trained in the US.
Posted by davyjones
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Member since Feb 2019
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Posted on 3/14/26 at 1:44 pm to
Well yeah, they trained in aircraft in America, but only after the plan for them to do so was conceived and funded in Afghanistan (and yes, I know, not necessarily Afghanistan exclusively - but in large part).
Posted by Adam Banks
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Posted on 3/14/26 at 1:49 pm to
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Afghanistan (and yes, I know, not necessarily Afghanistan exclusively - but in large part).




Why weren’t you all in on attacking saudia Arabia preemptively?



quote:

Well yeah, they trained in aircraft in America



Yeah.


Thanks for agreeing with me.



Posted by davyjones
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Member since Feb 2019
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Posted on 3/14/26 at 1:55 pm to
Sure, I agreed with you on the point that they literally took flight lessons in this country, for the purpose of gaining a rough understanding of flying a commercial jet well enough (again, all of which planned and funded abroad, under the umbrella of alQaeda which was based in Afghanistan), but as for the rest of your premise - yeah, let’s just say we don’t see eye to eye, to put it politely.
Posted by Adam Banks
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Posted on 3/14/26 at 1:57 pm to
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I agreed with you on the point that they literally took flight lessons in this country, for the purpose of gaining a rough understanding of flying a commercial jet well enough



Therein you agree that a much better strategy was to literally neutralize the threat within our own borders.



Thanks!
Posted by davyjones
NELA
Member since Feb 2019
36755 posts
Posted on 3/14/26 at 1:57 pm to
How did that work out??
Posted by RobbBobb
Member since Feb 2007
34286 posts
Posted on 3/14/26 at 2:49 pm to
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So we’ve destroyed 100% of Iran’s military capability but they’re still able to launch drones and lay mines?

Sounds like we haven’t destroyed 100% of Iran’s military capability.

How 'bout "we’ve destroyed 100% of Iran’s military capability but they’re still capable of launching drones and lay mines"

Which is acts of terrorism, and what they have done without using military since 1979
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