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re: Trump leads Desantis in FLORIDA.
Posted on 3/17/23 at 1:13 pm to AubieinNC2009
Posted on 3/17/23 at 1:13 pm to AubieinNC2009
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Well he is not POTUS and his picks cost the GOP the senate in 22. So he is on a 2 cycle losing streak
3 cycle losing streak if you count the 2018 midterms.
Three strikes and you're out.
Trump 2024? No thanks hard pass.
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Posted on 3/17/23 at 1:19 pm to Northwestern tiger
Trump being up 4-5 as a former President against a guy who hasn't announced is not good for Trump, sorry
All DeSantis needs to do is position himself as the clear frontrunner of the non-Trump candidates, which he obviously is
And then he needs to be in a position to consolidate support from them, which he already is.
DeSantis will still have to go out and close the gap, but the whole "HAHA your guy is down 10-15 pre-announcement to one of the most famous people in the world who used to be President" take probably won't age well.
All DeSantis needs to do is position himself as the clear frontrunner of the non-Trump candidates, which he obviously is
And then he needs to be in a position to consolidate support from them, which he already is.
DeSantis will still have to go out and close the gap, but the whole "HAHA your guy is down 10-15 pre-announcement to one of the most famous people in the world who used to be President" take probably won't age well.
Posted on 3/17/23 at 1:23 pm to 14&Counting
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3 cycle losing streak if you count the 2018 midterms.
Three strikes and you're out.
Trump 2024? No thanks hard pass.
This talking point was launched and failed. Move on to something else.
Most Republican primary voters believe Trump won in 2020. Right, wrong or indifferent, that's what they believe.
Furthermore, they don't blame Trump for the missing red wave in 2022.
This particular group of voters does not buy "Trump is a loser". And Paul Ryan is not a good salesman for it.
Is Desantis going to try and sell it?
It's counter productive in the primary.
Posted on 3/17/23 at 1:27 pm to Tiger985
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Most Republican primary voters believe Trump won in 2020. Right, wrong or indifferent, that's what they believe.
Furthermore, they don't blame Trump for the missing red wave in 2022.
This particular group of voters does not buy "Trump is a loser". And Paul Ryan is not a good salesman for it.
It's true and you are in denial. Trump has no broad appeal outside of his core base.
FACT
Posted on 3/17/23 at 1:27 pm to Tiger985
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Most Republican primary voters believe Trump won in 2020. Right, wrong or indifferent, that's what they believe.
And these are the people that will give Biden another term
Democrats want nothing more than R's to run on the 2020 election and J6 prisoners
Posted on 3/17/23 at 1:27 pm to jlnoles79
You didn't answer my question.
Do you think there is no such thing as buyers remorse among Biden voters? Among the group that viewed Uncle Joe as a safe moderate?
Do you think there is no such thing as buyers remorse among Biden voters? Among the group that viewed Uncle Joe as a safe moderate?
Posted on 3/17/23 at 1:27 pm to Tiger985
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Most Republican primary voters believe Trump won in 2020.
The point that you missed earlier, and are still missing, is that we shouldn't be looking at the fricking primary.
Posted on 3/17/23 at 1:28 pm to Tiger985
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Is Desantis going to try and sell it?
I'd bet he focuses on his agenda/ideas and Trump's record as POTUS.
Posted on 3/17/23 at 1:28 pm to Tiger985
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Do you think there is no such thing as buyers remorse among Biden voters? Among the group that viewed Uncle Joe as a safe moderate?
If there was, then R's would have the Senate and a much larger majority in the House.
Posted on 3/17/23 at 1:32 pm to Tiger985
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Do you think there is no such thing as buyers remorse among Biden voters? Among the group that viewed Uncle Joe as a safe moderate?
There is nothing that convinces me those people would switch that vote for Trump. They hate Trump more than anything else and simply won't vote for the man. They would vote for a polished turd like Gavin Newsome before Trump.
DeSantis on the other hand..........
Posted on 3/17/23 at 1:32 pm to 14&Counting
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you are in denial.
You believe Trump is a loser. That's fine. I'm not discussing the merits of that position.
I'm telling you it's a losing argument in the primary. I'm not talking about nut cases, I'm talking about the average Republican voter.
Hell, half of Democrats believe it was rigged, they just don't care.
If Desantis takes the stage with "Trump is a loser", he will be finished before he starts.
Posted on 3/17/23 at 1:36 pm to Tiger985
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This talking point was launched and failed.
How so? Trump has never come out and explained what he's going to differently from 2020 and 2022.
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Most Republican primary voters believe Trump won in 2020. Right, wrong or indifferent, that's what they believe.
Correct, and i'm one of them. But, the cheating was allowed. So what is Trump's plan for 24?
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Furthermore, they don't blame Trump for the missing red wave in 2022.
Swing and a miss. The places Republicans won, were places Trump didn't go. Virginia, Trump was specifically asked to stay away. And Youngkin won, Trump had a tantrum and then attacked Youngkin.
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This particular group of voters does not buy "Trump is a loser".
Wrong again. There is Trump fatigue, and just because you don't see it, doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
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And Paul Ryan is not a good salesman for it.
No one, ohter than the establishment, is paying attention to Ryan.
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Is Desantis going to try and sell it?
We don't know, but i'm sure your going to pretend you do know.
Posted on 3/17/23 at 1:36 pm to Tiger985
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I'm telling you it's a losing argument in the primary. I'm not talking about nut cases, I'm talking about the average Republican voter.
Are you (or whoever you're citing) lumping all forms of election frickery together? I think there are a lot of Republicans (and sane Dems) that believe big tech censored Republicans, Trump's DOJ conspired against him, but either don't believe the actual election was fake or are indifferent in opinion on that because there's so little information about it they trust.
Posted on 3/17/23 at 1:37 pm to Tiger985
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Do you think there is no such thing as buyers remorse among Biden voters? Among the group that viewed Uncle Joe as a safe moderate?
Absolutely. However, the same unhinged people that voted for Biden in the first place, still won't vote for Trump. Those idiots didn't vote for Biden because of policy. They voted because they seethed with TDS. That hasn't changed, regardless of how irrational that is.
Posted on 3/17/23 at 1:39 pm to BugAC
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Swing and a miss. The places Republicans won, were places Trump didn't go. Virginia, Trump was specifically asked to stay away. And Youngkin won, Trump had a tantrum and then attacked Youngkin.
The Youngkin team was scared shitless that Trump would show up in Virginia during the final days of his campaign
Posted on 3/17/23 at 1:40 pm to jlnoles79
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It is frightening the amount of retards that will vote in the Republican primaries bound and determined to hand Biden a second term on a silver platter
Bacaww parrot
Posted on 3/17/23 at 1:41 pm to Tiger985
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You believe Trump is a loser. That's fine. I'm not discussing the merits of that position.
I don't think Trump is a "loser" per se......There is nothing he says that I don't basically agree with.
The man, the candidate is not going to be able to win a national election for POTUS. That is what is basically boils down to...if we run Trump we are done. There is no if, and, or but about it. The last three election cycles have basically been a referendum on Donald Trump and we have come up sorely lacking each time. there is no spinning it.
With respect to the primary, Trump doesn't have a majority within the Republican Party. What he has is a PLURALITY which I would peg at maybe 40%. So that is at least 60% of the party that is looking for another answer that is not Trump.
This post was edited on 3/17/23 at 1:44 pm
Posted on 3/17/23 at 1:42 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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The point that you missed earlier, and are still missing, is that we shouldn't be looking at the fricking primary.
We are moving into primary season. You do know who will be selecting the Republican candidate in 2024? Desantis needs to make the case that he is the better candidate in the general. If he runs on "Trump is a loser", that will not play well with this group of voters.
He's better off saying Trump was robbed and I'm the guy that can make sure it never happens again. They won't rob me.
Posted on 3/17/23 at 1:42 pm to Tiger985
Now we “believe” polls again?
Posted on 3/17/23 at 1:43 pm to Tiger985
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I'm telling you it's a losing argument in the primary.
"We can totally win this time, bro. Look at this shitty poll I found, bro. Their methodology sucks but that doesn't matter, bro. Trump can pull it out this time, bro. It'll be (D)ifferen(T) if we just give him a chance, bro. Trust us, bro."
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