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re: Trump just called out the Virginia governor
Posted on 1/24/20 at 12:04 pm to AggieHank86
Posted on 1/24/20 at 12:04 pm to AggieHank86
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“When we talk about third-trimester abortions,” he added, “it’s done in cases where there may be severe deformities. There may be a fetus that’s non-viable.”
Does the law specify this?
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Posted on 1/24/20 at 12:08 pm to AggieHank86
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“When we talk about third-trimester abortions,” he added, “it’s done in cases where there may be severe deformities. There may be a fetus that’s non-viable.”
And its also done when a pregnant woman decides at the last minute not to be. And VA, NY, CA all allow it FOR ANY REASON.
Posted on 1/24/20 at 12:13 pm to SSpaniel
quote:Palliative care equals execution.
So... kill a baby that was born alive. In other words, execute. Got it.
Why do you hate hospice?
Posted on 1/24/20 at 12:14 pm to AggieHank86
Nice straw man hank.
Posted on 1/24/20 at 12:15 pm to Magician2
quote:And (if so) I disagree with him on that point.
He also stated he is in favor of third trimester abortions.
Candidly, given the hatred for the man on this forum, I have trouble accepting as accurate any attribution of a statement to him made here.
Posted on 1/24/20 at 12:16 pm to AggieHank86
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“If a mother is in labor, I can tell you exactly what would happen,” the governor went on. “The infant would be delivered. The infant would be kept comfortable. The infant would be resuscitated if that’s what the mother and the family desired, and then a discussion would ensue between the physicians and the mother.”quote:A spokesperson for Gov. Northam (said) his comments were “absolutely not” a reference to infanticide, and that they “focused on the tragic and extremely rare case in which a woman with a nonviable pregnancy or severe fetal abnormalities went into labor.”
Pretty clear understanding that he's talking about infanticide.
Who cares?
...the guy is a one termer.
Posted on 1/24/20 at 12:17 pm to AggieHank86
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Candidly, given the hatred for the man on this forum
He earned it.
Posted on 1/24/20 at 12:19 pm to AggieHank86
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To paraphrase, he said that in the instance of a non-viable birth, a physician and the mother should consult and decide whether to undertake fruitless heroic efforts or to instead let nature take its course while providing palliative care.
Yeah, that's not what he said either. Your paraphrasing isn't much better.
Posted on 1/24/20 at 12:20 pm to nes2010
quote:Given the context, I assume that I am one of these lawyers. Who is the other? I interact regularly with several other attorneys. DavyJones and NIH jump to mind.
odd that I never see the two most outspoken lawyers on the poli board interact. Maybe they do and I have just missed it.
Posted on 1/24/20 at 12:20 pm to AggieHank86
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I have trouble accepting as accurate any attribution of a statement to him made here.
No one gives a frick.
Posted on 1/24/20 at 12:20 pm to AggieHank86
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“The infant would be delivered. The infant would be kept comfortable. The infant would be resuscitated if that’s what the mother and the family desired, and then a discussion would ensue between the physicians and the mother.”
Yeah, that's still pretty damn evil. But hey, Orange man bad, right hank?
Posted on 1/24/20 at 12:21 pm to IslandBuckeye
quote:Seems to be the TDPT national sport. Thought I would join in.
Nice straw man hank.
Posted on 1/24/20 at 12:22 pm to AggieHank86
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Palliative care equals execution.
Why do you hate hospice?
Know a lot of newborns in hospice, do you?
Posted on 1/24/20 at 12:24 pm to AggieHank86
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accepting as accurate any attribution of a statement to him made here.
How about this attribution? He’s a piece of shite. A hypocrite.
This post was edited on 1/24/20 at 1:04 pm
Posted on 1/24/20 at 12:25 pm to Quidam65
quote:Not exactly, but close enough not to quibble. And I do not support 3rd-trimester abortion for any reason other than physical medical necessity.
And it (3rd trimester abortion) is also done when a pregnant woman decides at the last minute not to be. And VA, NY, CA all allow it FOR ANY REASON.
Posted on 1/24/20 at 12:26 pm to AggieHank86
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When we talk about third-trimester abortions,” he added, “it’s done in cases where there may be severe deformities. There may be a fetus that’s non-viable.”
What if I told you third trimester abortions weren’t always done in cases where there were non-viable fetuses or severe deformities?
You, of course, know this and play a dishonest shell game with your arguments.
quote:
“The infant would be delivered. The infant would be kept comfortable. The infant would be resuscitated if that’s what the mother and the family desired, and then a discussion would ensue between the physicians and the mother.”
How does that compare with what would happen with a non-infant? Do you know? What if the infant doesn’t need to be resuscitated at all? Awkward questions Hank and Ralph don’t want to answer.
This is why framing the debate is important. You hate Trump “dishonestly” framing the debate and have no problem with Northam dishonestly framing the debate.
This post was edited on 1/24/20 at 12:27 pm
Posted on 1/24/20 at 12:26 pm to BugAC
According to Hank and in layman's terms:
A) Governor Blackface/KKK or any of his Planned Parenthood murderers would perform the abortion
B) Botch it
C) Deliver the suffering/mangled child
D) Try to resuscitate it and bring it back to life
E) Talk it over with the murdering host of the child
F) And then maybe try to kill it again, depending upon what the murdering host wants to do at that point.
Is this about right?
A) Governor Blackface/KKK or any of his Planned Parenthood murderers would perform the abortion
B) Botch it
C) Deliver the suffering/mangled child
D) Try to resuscitate it and bring it back to life
E) Talk it over with the murdering host of the child
F) And then maybe try to kill it again, depending upon what the murdering host wants to do at that point.
Is this about right?
Posted on 1/24/20 at 12:27 pm to BugAC
quote:Not at all. I agree with him on some issues and disagree on others. I say “Good Trump” here about something at least weekly on the average.
Orange man bad, right hank?
Posted on 1/24/20 at 12:27 pm to hogcard1964
Upvote.
Posted on 1/24/20 at 12:27 pm to AggieHank86
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Not exactly, but close enough not to quibble.
Technically you are correct; they allow it if the mother's "health" is in danger.
But "health" is so loosely defined (e.g. "I don't feel like giving birth", which then is taken to mean that the pregnancy is adversely affecting a woman's "emotional health") that it becomes for all intents and purposes any reason at all.
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