re: Trump is too leftwing for me

Are we talking about the same Donald Trump with whom Ron Desantis very closely allied himself during the exact time referenced hereinabove? Plus, I was of the understanding that Trump froze the civilian pay raises you cited. Will I convince y’all to deviate from your current positions? No. Will you convince me to stray from mine? No. So I guess we’re back to square one. It’ll all be behind us eventually, one way or another.

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Will you convince me to stray from mine?

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Correct, because despite the evidence you still want to believe in the cult of personality that is Trump.

He is the classic cult of personality.

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Economy was solid;

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The economy was hot, and any moron could profit in that economy. But Trump wrecked it when he listened to Fauchi.

Good point on "no wars" and "stronger boarder". I'll vote for anyone who can do that. And he demonstrated.

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Generalities on the level of x-ism, with just as little substance.

Those words mean effectively nothing.

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And such “generalities” are the lifeblood any any successful election campaign. With that said, any vote in this UniParty® charade is a vote for the left or right wing of the Deep State. It is what it is.

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"There are a lot of things that I’m unhappy about in this bill. There are a lot of things that we shouldn’t have had in this bill, but we were, in a sense, forced --

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The bills were signed after Republican and Democratic lawmakers managed to compromise just days after the Democrat-led House impeached the president.

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Trump was cowed, got bent over and took it in the rear.

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Experiencing a global pandemic that under anyone would have completely gutted the world economy.

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The virus didn't gut the world economy. "Flattening the curve" gutted the economy and Trump let his administration mismanage that situation.

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Intelligent and correct contribution as always.

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Sure but im not wrong. I mean look at your sig pic

And look at yourself melting down about a man. Only a person whose real life revolves around a message board could pull that off

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You could erase Trump from the equation and drop in someone else and at this exact moment I would disagree with yall’s all or nothing tactics and strategy just the same.

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You have this backwards.

Remove Trump from the equation and his loyalists won't support anyone else.

His loyalists demand political purity or you're a RINO/cuck.

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The old timey biblical theories and angles on “conservatism” have expired along with quite a few other traditional philosophies.

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What do you mean, specifically?

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Many foundational elements remain

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Which, specifically?

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And y’all really don’t even have one consensus set of conservative “principles” to go by.

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Sure. We're not NPCs who primarily support group identification and proliferation of what we've been told to repeat.

Nobody is claiming there is a consensus. That's how politics works. It's a negotiation in a democracy.

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For instance, please define “conservatism” as you understand it and expect a Republican President to abide.

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You can use the definition that existed for like 80+ years until Trump.

Supports free trade
Supports less regulation from government
Supports less government spending
More authoritarian social-cultural regulation
Supports the military and big military spending/presence
Supports "Law and Order" police policies

*ETA: that's for conservatives. Conservatism used to be part of the Democratic party but flipped to the Republican party as rural voters became more affluent. If you want it to remain as "Republican" only, then shorten the 80+ years to 50+ years.

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I mean look at your sig pic

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It's a funny AI-generated image that made people laugh when I posted the thread.

Trying to turn my sig pic into a criticism of Trump is its own version of TxS you seem to be infected with.

I'm living rent free in your head and so is irrationally defending Trump if you think my sig is a criticism of Trump.

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And look at yourself melting down about a man.

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Melting? I'm discussing policy.

And again, you assume everyone, or anyone for that matter, actually agree on exactly what the term even means. Which is why I don’t put as many of those eggs in one basket as yourself and others seem to do.

By the way, as far as I know, Desantis did not announce that he opposed the bills referenced hereinabove. In fact he instituted and signed off on his own rather large covid relief package targeted to Floridians for things like help paying their rent.