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re: Trump is the most honest President in history

Posted on 10/12/18 at 8:25 am to
Posted by BayouBlitz
Member since Aug 2007
18126 posts
Posted on 10/12/18 at 8:25 am to
You've found, what, 10 Obama lies?

Trump is working on hundreds of lies. Go to ANY fact checking source, and there is an abundance of evidence.

I don't think Trump is the devil or anything, but to claim he's an honest man is ignorant, at best. He wrote in his own book, that he lies to get the desired result.

But, just look at his major campaign promises.

Wall paid for by Mexico? Nope. Wall nowhere in sight.

Drain the swamp? Nope.

Repeal and replace Obamacare ("It will be easy!")? Nope.

Cut spending/deficit? Nope.
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
98034 posts
Posted on 10/12/18 at 8:29 am to
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You've found, what, 10 Obama lies?


Yeah only ten

Interesting he said he would resign if he didnt cut the deficit in half

Surprised you pink hat protesters didnt storm the White House
Posted by IT_Dawg
Georgia
Member since Oct 2012
26701 posts
Posted on 10/12/18 at 8:34 am to
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He wrote in his own book, that he lies to get the desired result


Soooooo......if he promises a result, then uses negotiation tactics that involve some lies, but gets the promised result, you wouldn’t say he was honest?
Posted by awestruck
Member since Jan 2015
14600 posts
Posted on 10/12/18 at 8:42 am to
You serious Clark?

That wasn't a list of lies link it was his PLACE AS A LIAR link.

Here's some of what you asked for:

quote:

President Donald Trump lies constantly, on matters great and small, and repeats those lies no matter how obvious it is that he’s lying and no matter how many times the lie is debunked. Everyone knows this; it is an inseverable part of his character. His origin story of being a self-made billionaire was a lie. He launched his political career with the lie that President Barack Obama needed to release his birth certificate to prove he was born in the country. As of September 1, The Washington Post’s fact-checkers had identified 5,001 untruths over the 601 days of his presidency -- an average of 8.3 a day, with the trend accelerating. When Toronto Star reporter Daniel Dale watches Trump’s rally speeches, he chronicles the lies in real time on Twitter. The president’s former personal lawyer reportedly wouldn’t allow Trump to testify in special counsel Robert Mueller’s probe because he knows Trump is “a fricking liar” who could not help but perjure himself.


... and it goes on. Although it's obviously just mo fake news for you.
Posted by Hammond Tiger Fan
Hammond
Member since Oct 2007
16418 posts
Posted on 10/12/18 at 8:44 am to
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Trump is the most honest President in history


All of them do their fair share of lying. Trump is no different.
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
98034 posts
Posted on 10/12/18 at 8:45 am to
Media matters.org

Posted by Loserman
Member since Sep 2007
23151 posts
Posted on 10/12/18 at 8:45 am to
I( don't think Trump is honest, but I do believe he keeps his campaign promises.

To me that is better than being honest.
Posted by MizzouBS
Missouri
Member since Dec 2014
6883 posts
Posted on 10/12/18 at 8:49 am to
That is some kind of crazy spin for a guy that is very conservative and worked for Manafort.
This post was edited on 10/12/18 at 8:50 am
Posted by BayouBlitz
Member since Aug 2007
18126 posts
Posted on 10/12/18 at 8:50 am to
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Soooooo......if he promises a result, then uses negotiation tactics that involve some lies, but gets the promised result, you wouldn’t say he was honest?


absolutely NOT. I would say he was effective. Honest? No.

And many of his documented lies aren't negotiation tactics. They are just lies for no political purpose. And they are quickly pointed out. And everybody knows he lies. America has just accepted it, because the economy is booming, and Americans justify ends before means.

Which is fine. That is a legitimate argument.
Posted by HonoraryCoonass
Member since Jan 2005
20198 posts
Posted on 10/12/18 at 8:52 am to
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Interesting he said he would resign if he didnt cut the deficit in half


Nobody hates/hated that lying sumbitch Obama more than me, but I don’t believe he ever said this. He definitely made the “pledge” to cut the deficit he inherited in half by the end of his first term, but that “resign if I don’t” part was not part of the promise.

Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
59463 posts
Posted on 10/12/18 at 8:52 am to
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I guess he did lie,

He did. He said I would get tired of winning. But I’m not tired.
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
59463 posts
Posted on 10/12/18 at 8:53 am to
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he's just another self aggrandizing politician



Enjoy your tax break little fella.
Posted by YankeeBama
Milwaukee
Member since Sep 2017
4804 posts
Posted on 10/12/18 at 8:55 am to
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awestruck


I don’t know if I could find a more miserable human being than an Auburn fan who reads and believes Media Matters.
Posted by The Maj
Member since Sep 2016
30551 posts
Posted on 10/12/18 at 8:58 am to
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more miserable human being than an Auburn fan who reads and believes Media Matters.


You would have to put a hell of a lot of effort into it and probably visit Africa to find someone close...
Posted by bhtigerfan
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2008
33613 posts
Posted on 10/12/18 at 9:03 am to
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They can only claim he'll be remembered as the most honest president when they throw out the definition of honest and make up a new one 

Talk is cheap bitch, that's why that's all Obama did.

Actions are what matter, and Trump is delivering.

MAGA in ya face bitch.
Posted by GeorgePaton
God's Country
Member since May 2017
5648 posts
Posted on 10/12/18 at 9:08 am to
Good businessmen usually are. It's called honoring your obligations agreed upon in negoiated contracts. Crooked politicians like Hildabeast or her pal Obama really don't care about honesty. Empty suits both of them. This culture of lying is what Donald Trump is up against.

Drain the Swamp Mr. President and while you're at it BUILD THE WALL.

MAGA!
Posted by Central Tiger
Louisiana
Member since May 2006
2713 posts
Posted on 10/12/18 at 9:09 am to
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And yet, paradoxically, his lawyers are terrified by the prospect of him testifying under oath because they know him to be a pathological liar who would certainly commit perjury....


quote:

quote:
most honest President in history



Take off your door-scratching goggles and read this again. See if you can comprehend what that means any better than your first attempt.
Posted by awestruck
Member since Jan 2015
14600 posts
Posted on 10/12/18 at 9:14 am to
so he doesn't lie -

- constantly, on matters great and small, and repeats those lies no matter how obvious it is that he’s lying and no matter how manes the lie is debunked.

and your arguing

- His origin story of being a self-made billionaire was a lie.


and it's a made up lie that

He launched his political career with the lie that President Barack Obama needed to release his birth certificate to prove he was born in the country. ????

yeah I give you these numbers are little too low now

- As of September 1, The Washington Post’s fact-checkers had identified 5,001 untruths over the 601 days of his presidency -- an average of 8.3 a day, with the trend accelerating.

Although Ok - I'll yield on this . . .

The president’s former personal lawyer reportedly wouldn’t allow Trump to testify in special counsel Robert Mueller’s probe because he knows Trump is “a fricking liar” who could not help but perjure himself.

Because yes there's probably more reason for him clamming up than this!

( you wiped out surfer dude )
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
98034 posts
Posted on 10/12/18 at 9:18 am to
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His origin story of being a self-made billionaire was a lie. 



Please explain (this melt is always the best)

quote:

He launched his political career with the lie that President Barack Obama needed to release his birth certificate to prove he was born in the country. ???? 


Didnt Hillary start this

quote:

As of September 1, The Washington Post’s fact-checkers




quote:

The president’s former personal lawyer reportedly wouldn’t allow Trump to testify in special counsel Robert Mueller’s probe because he knows Trump is “a fricking liar” who could not help but perjure himself






Were you one of those pink hat protesters scratching at the Supreme Courts bronze doors this weekend
Posted by HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
Member since Feb 2017
12458 posts
Posted on 10/12/18 at 9:25 am to
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And yet, paradoxically, his lawyers are terrified by the prospect of him testifying under oath because they know him to be a pathological liar who would certainly commit perjury...


You're a fricking idiot. I was a criminal investigator , and it would be very easy to get caught up in a perjury charge even if you were telling the truth if the investigator didn't believe you.

Example. Person A is interviewed and says one thing, then Person B is interviewed and says the exact opposite. The investigator can then CHOOSE which person he finds more credible and then charge the other person with perjury (we're talking about federal investigators here) and just let a jury figure it out. Doesn't matter if the person charged with perjury committed any crimes or not, you could be just a witness to the originating crime and STILL be charged with perjury and then cleared of perjury at trial.

so yes, ANY sane person should be worried about talking to a federal agent.
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