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re: Trump has officially petitioned the SCOTUS to allow him to END birthright citizenship

Posted on 9/29/25 at 1:34 pm to
Posted by dukkbill
Member since Aug 2012
1050 posts
Posted on 9/29/25 at 1:34 pm to
quote:

Do you think we should only allow white male property owners to vote now?


I can't speak for the poster, but you hit on the applicable issue

If we try to use strict formulist arguments

(1) we should still review what all the citizenry thought at the time of ratification If we want to make an ill advised appeal to Scalua, that's his jurisprudence. His stated philosophy would exclude what “the Founders” secret meaning was. Also the meaning of a term doesn't share what it's meaning may have meant a hundred years earlier, or even worse what it meant hundredS of years earlier in a foreign country
(2) The Ark court doesn't do this. They guess at the secret meaning by presuming with no evidence that the 39th Congress must have meant what the court determined the founders meant 100 years earlier.
(3) there is evidence of meaning from the 39th Congress’ Congressional records that could have been used or still coukd be used. Even the most ardent Jus Soli advocates acknowledge this. If a modern court used a formalistic basis for meaning then they should use these 39th Congress Congressionsl Records as evidence of meaning (unless they strictly follow the precedent without additional consideration)
(4) Formalism is not the only jurisprudential basis of review. Indeed, as Posner asserts, Scalia wasn't as consistent in his spplication of Formalism as often asserted
This post was edited on 9/29/25 at 3:40 pm
Posted by DaveyJones12
Member since Dec 2022
359 posts
Posted on 9/29/25 at 1:42 pm to
nope, but the concept of "illegal" didn't really exist then either:

quote:

His father, Wong Si Ping, and mother, Lee Wee, emigrated from Taishan, Guangdong, China and were not United States citizens, as the Naturalization Law of 1802 had made them ineligible for naturalization either before or after his birth.


So...they were about as illegal as one could be in the 1800s - especially as chinese.
Posted by hogcard1964
Alabama
Member since Jan 2017
20024 posts
Posted on 9/29/25 at 1:52 pm to
Whenever a liberal is head strong against something Trump is doing, that's a good indication that Don is doing the right thing.
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