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re: Trump Gave Power to Fauci-How to Rationalize
Posted on 9/2/23 at 7:20 am to OccamsStubble
Posted on 9/2/23 at 7:20 am to OccamsStubble
quote:In that regard, you may not know what you think you know
Knowing what we know now, I see no way to call what Trump championed - pushing a non-vaccine as a vaccine through the system sans testing, and calling on EVERYONE to get it regardless of their personal risk assessment - a success.
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Posted on 9/2/23 at 7:24 am to NC_Tigah
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In that regard, you may not know what you think you know
This guy? Oof.
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Former President Donald Trump on Tuesday evening told his supporters to get the COVID-19 vaccine, saying it is a safe shot that works. "I would recommend it and I would recommend it to a lot of people that don't want to get it and a lot of those people voted for me, frankly," Trump told "Fox News Primetime."
LINK
Posted on 9/2/23 at 7:24 am to CamdenTiger
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Again, this has been brought up many times, so many that it’s getting so redundant; but Trump was played, deep State got him on Covid. A Pandemic in an election year… he was damned! Do nothing, and the Press crucifies you on every death, be aggressive and the Deep State ends-around your arse…It was a perfect Deep State opp…It’s Trump’s worst detractor, probably why it keeps getting posted on here almost every day, probably the Feds on here, keeping the narrative going, daily…
This logic continues to be the biggest failing in the Covid response - the assumption that everyone had the same risk, so should have been treated, or forced to have been treated in the same way. They did not.
A morbidly obese 80 year old should have been given the facts on risk, for them, and should have been given the advice to SELF lockdown. A 14 year old should have lived life as normal, gotten Covid, gotten immune, and moved on, like about 85% of the population.
Posted on 9/2/23 at 7:31 am to NC_Tigah
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With the CDC sidelined out of overt incompetence, was Trump going to fire Fauci too? It was politically untenable.
The only thing Trump could have done directly would have been removing him from the task force.
Fauci didn't have typical civil servant protections as a "Title 42" employee & he's not a presidential appointee. The process to terminate him has to be done in writing, with cause, and goes through the Merit Systems Protection Board where Fauci could appeal.
Posted on 9/2/23 at 7:33 am to Patriot2023
quote:The post was not addressed to you, alter.
Patriot2023
But since you chose to insert yourself, how about laying out the epidemiology and socio-economic consequences as you'd imagine them, sans OWS.
Posted on 9/2/23 at 7:34 am to 2020_reVISION
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The only thing Trump could have done directly would have been removing him from the task force. Fauci didn't have typical civil servant protections as a "Title 42" employee & he's not a presidential appointee. The process to terminate him has to be done in writing, with cause, and goes through the Merit Systems Protection Board where Fauci could appeal.
Trump held daily briefings where Fauci spoke. He also awarded Fauci a medal right before leaving office. He could have not done either of those things.
Posted on 9/2/23 at 7:34 am to NC_Tigah
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Knowing what we know now, I see no way to call what Trump championed - pushing a non-vaccine as a vaccine through the system sans testing, and calling on EVERYONE to get it regardless of their personal risk assessment - a success.
In that regard, you may not know what you think you know
I know, in the simplest, most straightforward manner of speaking, that what Trump and everyone else at the time was calling “muh vaccine!!!” was NOT a killed or attenuated virus injected to illicit a future immune response on exposure to live virus, so wasn’t a viral vaccine, it was a preventive treatment.
Should we at least expect the POTUS not lie about something so obvious, and impactful? Trump isn’t stupid, he knew at the time it was a lie, and got in line with repeating it. It was never a viral vaccine, which is why, after taking it again and again and again and again and again, people get Covid.
Posted on 9/2/23 at 7:37 am to Patriot2023
Nice 25th post. The majority here knows how you work. Keep it up. It's cute.
Posted on 9/2/23 at 7:37 am to OccamsStubble
quote:How does that contrived definition work with the pneumovax?
was NOT a killed or attenuated virus
As I said, you don't know what you don't know.
Posted on 9/2/23 at 7:38 am to NC_Tigah
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The post was not addressed to you, alter. But since you chose to insert yourself, how about laying out the epidemiology and socio-economic consequences as you'd imagine them, sans OWS.
He could have easily recommend that older people, like himself, socially distance, while letting younger/healthier people go about their lives. It was clear after a month or so that this wasn’t as scary of a virus as originally some thought, yet he kept going along with it holding daily briefings while normal people lost jobs because of his incompetence.
Posted on 9/2/23 at 7:43 am to Patriot2023
quote:You have no clue as to WTF you're talking about. None.
It was clear after a month or so that this wasn’t as scary of a virus as originally some thought
Posted on 9/2/23 at 7:45 am to NC_Tigah
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How does that contrived definition work with the pneumovax?
As I said, you don't know what you don't know.
Google “what’s the difference between a virus and a bacterium?”
Posted on 9/2/23 at 7:46 am to Patriot2023
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He could have easily recommend that older people, like himself, socially distance, while letting younger/healthier people go about their lives
He was getting too much praise. Praise that dude and he will suck an elephants cock if it means more praise..
Posted on 9/2/23 at 7:49 am to NC_Tigah
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It was clear after a month or so that this wasn’t as scary of a virus as originally some thought
You have no clue as to WTF you're talking about. None.
I’m not the ‘you’ you reference, but the guy is spot on. I read the MMWR weekly, and it was clear on May 20 2020 what the ten comorbidities were, and that the going variant at the time only threatened people old, or sick, or both. Subsequent variants turned out the same.
The CDC regularly offered guidance counter to their own data, and dumped everyone in the same risk group. That’s not even how the CDC handles their own internal research.
This post was edited on 9/2/23 at 7:50 am
Posted on 9/2/23 at 8:02 am to OccamsStubble
quote:So the Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report, put out by a group you and I both regard as dubious, was your weekly informational go-to ... and you're admitting that?
I read the MMWR ...
Early on CV19 was more virulent, but less contagious than later strains. As with evolution of any novel pathogen, evolution dictates that trend. Those CV19 pandemic qualities aren't debatable.
Posted on 9/2/23 at 8:05 am to OccamsStubble
quote:That my friend, would be a task you should have undertaken prior to concocting an incomplete definition of the term "vaccine."
Google “what’s the difference between a virus and a bacterium?”
Posted on 9/2/23 at 8:09 am to NC_Tigah
MMWR produced data. I read the data, and the data was aligned with all that I already knew. In retrospect, the data was spot on.
The direction given to the American people by CDC leadership was often in direct opposition to the CDC data.
For example, early 2021 the CDC showed that people who had contracted and survived Covid were equally likely to contract Covid again, regardless of whether they then got a shot or not. The CDC took to the microphone to tell everyone “ get the shots whether you have already had Covid, or not. It was a bald-faced damnable lie. If we had any semblance of a media, the lie would have been exposed.
The direction given to the American people by CDC leadership was often in direct opposition to the CDC data.
For example, early 2021 the CDC showed that people who had contracted and survived Covid were equally likely to contract Covid again, regardless of whether they then got a shot or not. The CDC took to the microphone to tell everyone “ get the shots whether you have already had Covid, or not. It was a bald-faced damnable lie. If we had any semblance of a media, the lie would have been exposed.
Posted on 9/2/23 at 8:11 am to Patriot2023
But I thought Trump was a power mad narcissist who wants to rule like a dictator. Now you’re saying he gave up power to Fauci?
And specifically what power(s) did he yield to Fauci?
If you recall earlier in his term Trump reduced the influence of Fauci the CDC and was crucified for it when Covid initially became a pandemic.
And specifically what power(s) did he yield to Fauci?
If you recall earlier in his term Trump reduced the influence of Fauci the CDC and was crucified for it when Covid initially became a pandemic.
Posted on 9/2/23 at 8:11 am to NC_Tigah
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That my friend, would be a task you should have undertaken prior to concocting an incomplete definition of the term "vaccine."
My definition wasn’t for a vaccine, read again “viral vaccine”
Posted on 9/2/23 at 8:14 am to OccamsStubble
quote:Nope.
MMWR produced data.
The CDC produced data.
The Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report Series, which you put so much reliance in, is prepared by the CDC. It always was.
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