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re: Trump declares war on Freedom Caucus in latest tweet
Posted on 3/30/17 at 12:08 pm to Tiguar
Posted on 3/30/17 at 12:08 pm to Tiguar
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Ryan's bill obviously wasn't "good enough". In fact, it was worse.
Financially insolvent programs are not conservative.
Maybe, maybe not, if I were Trump, I would hand the ball off to the Freedom Caucus and tell them, "OK, since you guys are so smart, you come up with something." I doubt people like Meadows and Gohmert as well as Jordan would know what to do if that happened
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Posted on 3/30/17 at 12:09 pm to Sentrius
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As dumb as Nancy Pelosi and hateful Harry Reid may be, they always had a knack for wrangling in the progressives and far left in their coalition and they always came around no matter what.
And in that process, inched the USA towards Socialism.
The FC can not understand that it's a game of inches. Give them a taste.
Posted on 3/30/17 at 12:12 pm to Iosh
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They manifestly do have that right since they just exercised it.
A legal and technical right via hard power, sure.
However, it does not gain them much if any goodwill and political capital at all and only inflames a volatile political situation.
This window to repeal ObamaCare, get good tax reform and infrastructure bills through is only so big and its rapidly closing. The GOP won't get another chance like this again for a very long time if ideologues frick it up.
Posted on 3/30/17 at 12:14 pm to Sentrius
quote:Well then they need to not submit such a terrible bill. That one was terrible, so what is your issue?
This window to repeal ObamaCare, get good tax reform and infrastructure bills through is only so big and its rapidly closing. The GOP won't get another chance like this again for a very long time if ideologues frick it up.
Posted on 3/30/17 at 12:14 pm to ozland
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not having a plan of their own to present
Ok. Anybody saying this outs themselves as swallowing the media/GOPe narrative like a $3 hooker.
Rand's bill was the bill they supported. Sorry if it's not a 1,000+ page mess of legaleze.
Posted on 3/30/17 at 12:15 pm to buckeye_vol
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. If a policy can't pass because of 22 (4%) members of Congress can't pass it (believe that was the unofficial against count of HFC), then the policy has some issues.
Nah, democrats were going to vote against any replacement of ObamaCare so that's really not a good point at all.
It was on the onus on the GOP to kill ObamaCare and they had to solve this equation and the HFC aren't willing to be a variable in that.
Posted on 3/30/17 at 12:16 pm to germandawg
I agree, The Freedom Caucus is more aligned to the right of center movement that elected DT. Similar to the left of center movement that was close to getting Bernie elected.
They are both "populist" movements that hate the establishment. Just opposite sides of the coin. The populist movements are also filled with myopic uncompromising nut jobs, who would cut off their nose to spite their face.
They both suck, imo.
They are both "populist" movements that hate the establishment. Just opposite sides of the coin. The populist movements are also filled with myopic uncompromising nut jobs, who would cut off their nose to spite their face.
They both suck, imo.
Posted on 3/30/17 at 12:16 pm to KiwiHead
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Maybe we split the baby. If you have had the condition for 3-4 years,previously had insurance then you can be automatically covered with no bullshitetery attached.If you've had the condition,has been documented but have not had insurance then the one year wait kicks in.
I believe that was in this.
Posted on 3/30/17 at 12:18 pm to Sentrius
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It won't be just obamacare dude,
That is my fear as well. As much as I do like Ted Cruz , he has a knack for alienating those people who would be inclined to vote with him because he wants all the ideological boxes checked.
What they run the risk of if they keep this up is having their intransigence being hung around the necks of Republicans in more fluid districts in CA, IL, NY and the Rust Belt....and opening up the door for a Democrat to come in. The last thing any of us wants is Chuck Schumer having any real power.
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always had a knack for wrangling in the progressives and far left in their coalition and they always came around no matter what. I've always respected that.
Yes because they see that getting 50.1% of what they want is better than getting 0% and their strategy is to slowly wear you down over time.
Damn....I wanted a dollar but I only got 75 cents. Well if I can't get a dollar, I won't take anything
Posted on 3/30/17 at 12:19 pm to AlaTiger
Either get on the train or get run over
Posted on 3/30/17 at 12:21 pm to montanagator
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What gave anyone the impression that Trump was conservative in the first place?
Then explain picking a strong conservative VP and the most conservative cabinet ever recorded in American history.
Trump may be have some democrat tendencies but he's still a late 50s and early 60s democrat that has more in common with todays GOP than the violent far left democrat party today. Just not so much with the ideological wing of the GOP.
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With the exceptions of trade and immigration Trump was always to the left of Paul Ryan much less the HFC.
Trump is more conservative than both Bushes on energy policy and you saw a good example of that this week.
He's strongly conservative on education policy with school choice and other similar initiatives.
And he wants a tax cut anywhere between 15 and 20%.
Posted on 3/30/17 at 12:24 pm to MButterfly
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I believe that was in this.
If the Freedom Caucus would not go for that, then they just want to go down in a blaze of glory....but I'll bet that a lot of them would end up getting jobs in Big Pharma.....or in a think tank like the Heritage Foundation.
Posted on 3/30/17 at 12:26 pm to Sentrius
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Sentrius
I don't think you will ever convince that the actions (should speak louder), regardless of fact, are conservative to some here.
Conservative to them seem to be no federal gov at all despite what the constitution says.
I honestly think that a few in this thread would rather see Trump fail at all cost because they don't like him as a person.
Posted on 3/30/17 at 12:31 pm to Sentrius
I'd rather miss the opportunity than to put forth Obamacare light, have it slowly die, and then have the entire party saddled with its failure.
Posted on 3/30/17 at 12:32 pm to AlaTiger
This makes me sad. I don't know who is advising senior Trump but he is making a bunch of poor tactical decision lately. I hope this is a part of some larger game he is playing but I'm not so sure.
Posted on 3/30/17 at 12:33 pm to MButterfly
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Conservative to them seem to be no federal gov at all despite what the constitution says
BS. We need defense and some programs to help the poor and indigent. This is socialized medicine we are dealing with here. If you are okay with this in any form, regardless of the political consequences, then you aren't conservative.
Posted on 3/30/17 at 12:38 pm to KiwiHead
This is per a left wing site called politco:
The FC was given the essential health benefit repeal, PP, and most of the tax issues. That was not enough..
They wanted that part totally gone.
SO in a nutshell this was by far a plan that people could rally around as a starting point.
1- Kept children in school on parents healthcare. Why remove that? These are the ones that will not purchase ins even under Obamacare and the parents pay a little more.
2- Pre exsisting conditions. As stated above. A compromise from what we have.
Those 2 things are polled in the 90% approval rating.
3- Getting rid of esessential health benefit... FC win.
An Issue that has the support of 83% of the public.
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Insurers still have to cover pre-existing conditions, but they will be able to charge more for people who are recently uninsured. The plan allows insurance companies to charge higher rates if a person has a significant lapse in coverage. Higher rates will be charged if a person was uninsured for 63 continuous days during the previous 12 months.
The FC was given the essential health benefit repeal, PP, and most of the tax issues. That was not enough..
They wanted that part totally gone.
SO in a nutshell this was by far a plan that people could rally around as a starting point.
1- Kept children in school on parents healthcare. Why remove that? These are the ones that will not purchase ins even under Obamacare and the parents pay a little more.
2- Pre exsisting conditions. As stated above. A compromise from what we have.
Those 2 things are polled in the 90% approval rating.
3- Getting rid of esessential health benefit... FC win.
An Issue that has the support of 83% of the public.
Posted on 3/30/17 at 12:39 pm to LSU Patrick
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then have the entire party saddled with its failure.
The entire party will be saddled with the failure of Obamacare. We put you in control and you are failing!
Posted on 3/30/17 at 12:41 pm to MButterfly
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We put you in control and you are failing!
No.
"You didn't fix our mess!" Doesn't play well.
Posted on 3/30/17 at 12:45 pm to AlaTiger
Hopefully, Trump breaks the HFC and redefines conservativism to where Paul Ryan represents the far right edge of the GOP.
His cult of personality could be really positive for America in the long run if people start to conflate conservatism with Trumpism and kill off the Reagan era ideas.
His cult of personality could be really positive for America in the long run if people start to conflate conservatism with Trumpism and kill off the Reagan era ideas.
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