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re: Trump bans AI giant Anthropic, after dispute of AI military weapons and surveillance
Posted on 2/28/26 at 2:30 am to bignuss18
Posted on 2/28/26 at 2:30 am to bignuss18
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That is what they want you to believe. These guys stack money hand over fist and while they can be greedy, they know their products have enough overlap to destroy one another. It’s technology’s version of M.A.D. Hence my analogy to Apple, Microsoft and Linux. They all serve a purpose, but anyone one of them can serve any purpose. They’ve come to backroom agreements to divide and conquer the market. AI isn’t any different to any other product, consumed by the masses or consumed by the government.
Another analogy - Raytheon, Lockheed, Northrop - all can achieve the same thing, but they also don’t seem to want to. There is no explanation other than controlled diversification within the same market. They make enough money, hand over fist, to justify it.
Computer companies have backroom agreements? VisiCalc, AOL, Fairchild semiconductor would all like to have a discussion.........
Defense contractors are not a fair analogy, they are an oligarchy with a handful of customers. AI has a broad range of customers and consumers across all sectors. Its apples to oranges.
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Posted on 2/28/26 at 2:32 am to Diego Ricardo
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Yeah, it made sense to tell Ford and GM they're making tanks, jeeps, fighters, and bombers when WWII is going on.
Did these companies say, we will make them and take your money, but we get to dictate where you use them? Cause that is what Anthropic is saying.
Posted on 2/28/26 at 2:39 am to RelicBatches86
So in a nutshell you guys think its better for Anthropic, woke Anthropic, to decide how to defend the United States, not our government?
Bold move Cotton, lets just leave it up to them, make it open source, Im sure the chinese will appreciate our benevolence.
And what is this surveillance nonsense????? Can you guys not understand the govt has been spying on you since the 1940s? Heck because of America's obsession with tic toc and temu the chinese probably know more about you than your own government.
Bold move Cotton, lets just leave it up to them, make it open source, Im sure the chinese will appreciate our benevolence.
And what is this surveillance nonsense????? Can you guys not understand the govt has been spying on you since the 1940s? Heck because of America's obsession with tic toc and temu the chinese probably know more about you than your own government.
Posted on 2/28/26 at 2:48 am to trinidadtiger
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Bold move Cotton, lets just leave it up to them, make it open source, Im sure the chinese will appreciate our benevolence.
Anthropic’s core models are not open source.
The Trump admin wanted to partner with Anthropic literally less than 24 hours ago.
Posted on 2/28/26 at 2:55 am to HailToTheChiz
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I'm not sure I see the same national security urgency over AI right now but there may be a day and when it comes nobody who cares about this country will penning letters about their red lines.
In my opinion there is not enough concern.
Government wants to know the full extent of a potential enemy tool. We can't wait for stuff to hit the fan then figure it out. AI will be far advanced in 5 years
Bingo!
The B29 took years to develop and was designed under the premise that Europe would no longer be free and we would have to launch planes from the US.
It took years to develop the atomic bombs, because that is what they were two different types of tech chased at the same time: uranium and plutonium.
And at the end of the war Eisenhower "let" Russia take Berlin to "save" American lives. Thats the good reason. The real reason, lets focus our attention on finding this Wernher Von Braun character, this missile technology might lead to something.
Posted on 2/28/26 at 2:58 am to The_Duke
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Trump is seeking federal control over elections
oh thats fcking rich. Better to let states have no ID and massive mail in campaigns with bulk collections rather than the federal govt trying to secure fair elections.
Let me guess, you were all for George Wallace having thugs keep blacks from voting as well?
Posted on 2/28/26 at 3:06 am to Big Scrub TX
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The pentagon wanted Anthropic to back down and give in. But they didn’t. So the pentagon dropped the most advanced AI for a lesser model with the same standards.
Hegseth was embarrassed and now the pentagon is downgrading for no reason
Yeah. fricking clown show.
What the heck are you guys even talking about? The govt asked for a service and Anthropic said we will provide it as long as we control it. What kind of bullshite is that? Do you buy a car and Ford says you can only drive it where I tell you?
You seriously want a very woke company controlling our US military?
Posted on 2/28/26 at 3:16 am to The_Duke
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Another note to add is that OpenAI is floundering and cash-strapped--they are desperate. This could be the move Pete needs to get his way, because OpenAI cannot afford to lose ANY deal so they will bend the knee at any request.
Yesterday they announced 110 bilion in additional funding, Im not certain that would be considered cash strapped and floundering.
And the biggest backer.....Amazon who had been big on Anthropic. Sounds like Amazon thinks both horses can run. Would they do this if Anthropic was so superior?
Posted on 2/28/26 at 3:21 am to AGGIES
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Anthropic’s core models are not open source.
The Trump admin wanted to partner with Anthropic literally less than 24 hours ago.
I was being facetious. The point is, you bid a service, they provide it or they dont. They arent being altruistic, they want to control something after thay have sold it, thats nonsense.
The Trump admin did want to partner with them......til they decided to set the rules, so you move on to the next player.
Posted on 2/28/26 at 7:50 am to trinidadtiger
Anthropic wanted specific contractual language that the models will not be used for the models will not be used for domestic mass surveillance and autonomous weapons. Because if safeguards can be discarded via legalese - they don’t really exist.
The next vendor being OpenAI, who decided NOT to include specific contractual language to safeguard against the models being used domestic mass surveillance and autonomous weapons. Assuming Govt
Use is for “lawful purposes”was a sufficient verbiage is essentially discarding the safeguards.
The next vendor being OpenAI, who decided NOT to include specific contractual language to safeguard against the models being used domestic mass surveillance and autonomous weapons. Assuming Govt
Use is for “lawful purposes”was a sufficient verbiage is essentially discarding the safeguards.
Posted on 2/28/26 at 8:09 am to trinidadtiger
"Hey Claude, there's nukes heading towards the U.S., please use the 10 million documents we have provided you to try and stop it before we get blasted to the stone age!"
* Thinking....
"I'm sorry, you need to submit a JIRA ticket to Anthropic. Is there anything else I can help you with?"
Semafor
This is the same guy who crows about how he's creating a new super-intelligence, then complains when China gets access to it, but won't let the US use it?
I don't think Hegseth's description of him is far off.
* Thinking....
"I'm sorry, you need to submit a JIRA ticket to Anthropic. Is there anything else I can help you with?"
Semafor
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In a previously unreported exchange in early December, Under Secretary of War for Research and Engineering Emil Michael was outraged by Anthropic CEO Dario Amodei’s answer to a hypothetical question: If the US were under attack – with hypersonic missiles hurtling toward US soil – and Anthropic’s AI models could thwart the missiles, would the company refuse to help its country due to Anthropic’s prohibition on using its tech in conjunction with autonomous weapons?
According to people familiar with the administration, Amodei responded that the Pentagon should, in the midst of the attack, reach out and check with Anthropic. But sources familiar with Anthropic’s view say the AI company offered to make a missile defense carveout for otherwise prohibited weapons.
This is the same guy who crows about how he's creating a new super-intelligence, then complains when China gets access to it, but won't let the US use it?
I don't think Hegseth's description of him is far off.
This post was edited on 2/28/26 at 8:26 am
Posted on 2/28/26 at 8:34 am to DaveyJones12
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Sorry, I don’t want the US government using AI tools to conduct MASS SURVEILLANCE on US CITIZENS
Facial recognition existed pre-AI. And do you not think the IRS knows how many times your wife buys shite at Crumbl every month?
Posted on 2/28/26 at 8:59 am to RelicBatches86
Posted on 2/28/26 at 12:07 pm to trinidadtiger
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Yesterday they announced 110 bilion in additional funding, Im not certain that would be considered cash strapped and floundering.
Oh, that's exactly what it means to be cash-strapped. They are keeping the lights on with investors. They aren't talking about profits and had to revise their spending down by 600B.
This post was edited on 2/28/26 at 12:07 pm
Posted on 3/1/26 at 12:39 pm to The_Duke
The CBS interview with Anthropic CEO Dario Amodei was very informative where Amodei very clearly expressed the situation and their perspective on the issues. He sounded like a patriotic American who understands our values as a free society.
Congress needs to get off their arse and understand how to create laws around AI.
Congress needs to get off their arse and understand how to create laws around AI.
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