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re: Trump admin want more aid for the Saudi wahabi war machine in Yemen
Posted on 4/20/17 at 6:55 am to WhiskeyPapa
Posted on 4/20/17 at 6:55 am to WhiskeyPapa
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Gotta deliver war for the Defense contractors.
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Great jumping Jehoshaphat they are putting commercials for Stealth bombers on TV.
Television in general and commercials in particular are no more than subconscious conditioning tools. I would say it has worked spectacularly well to get Americans in lockstep since the 1950's. Advertising psychology is a lucrative field to be in.
Posted on 4/20/17 at 7:06 am to WhiskeyPapa
The iranians regard us as devils.
Russia built their Chernobyl style nuclear plant, an atom bomb material source.
What changes in usa policy will get iran to stop financing hezbollah?
Play into anti semetism?
Russia built their Chernobyl style nuclear plant, an atom bomb material source.
What changes in usa policy will get iran to stop financing hezbollah?
Play into anti semetism?
Posted on 4/20/17 at 7:10 am to CelticDog
And why is this our problem?
Let the Saudi and Israeli deal with it instead of us having to fight their proxy war. Unless you are an Israeli Firster.
Let the Saudi and Israeli deal with it instead of us having to fight their proxy war. Unless you are an Israeli Firster.
Posted on 4/20/17 at 7:50 am to Northwestern tiger
these are typical leaks that are getting pushed from establishment folks in attempts to publicly undermine Trump.
When Trump actually starts talking about it, i'll care.
When Trump actually starts talking about it, i'll care.
Posted on 4/20/17 at 8:07 am to ILeaveAtHalftime
quote:I believe that's the point, isn't it?
Being "in bed" with the Saudis and Israel is a 75 year old problem. Everyone hates it and you sound like a complete moron when you blame Trump for it
Trump is as establishment as the rest of them.
Posted on 4/20/17 at 8:18 am to Northwestern tiger
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What a bunch of blinded idiots
Seems like you might be the idiot trusting the credible media source you posted
Posted on 4/20/17 at 8:49 am to SDVTiger
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Seems like you might be the idiot trusting the credible media source you posted
Actually the only reason I cited this media outlet because it was in english.
I keep myself informed by reading and getting perspectives from multiple media outlets outside the US.
I can site references in Greek and in arabic for you, but you wouldn't be able to comprehend it, would you?
Posted on 4/20/17 at 8:50 am to ILeaveAtHalftime
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Everyone hates it and you sound like a complete moron when you blame Trump for it
Well when he kept preaching about new dawn and no more wars in the ME that doesn't benefit the US, I gotta hold him for his word. You are a moron if you don't do the same.
Posted on 4/20/17 at 8:56 am to Northwestern tiger
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Actually the only reason I cited this media outlet because it was in english.
I keep myself informed by reading and getting perspectives from multiple media outlets outside the US.
I can site references in Greek and in arabic for you, but you wouldn't be able to comprehend it, would you?
Posted on 4/20/17 at 10:01 am to ILeaveAtHalftime
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But I'm sure Iran is just waiting at the table for us, welcoming our embrace with open arms. You know, since we have a long and documented history of being allies with them.
Our undying love for Israel is the only thing holding back the great American -Persian Alliance!
That is correct. The Reagan Administration tried a rapprochement with Iran. Why did our policy change?
MCFARLANE TOOK CAKE AND BIBLE TO TEHERAN, EX-C.I.A. MAN SAYS
By BERNARD GWERTZMAN, Special to the New York Times
Published: January 11, 1987
WASHINGTON, Jan. 10— A retired Central Intelligence Agency official has confirmed to the Senate Intelligence Committee that on the secret mission to Teheran last May, Robert C. McFarlane and his party carried a Bible with a handwritten verse from President Reagan for Iranian leaders.
According to a person who has read the committee's draft report, the retired C.I.A. official, George W. Cave, an Iran expert who was part of the mission, said the group had 10 falsified passports, believed to be Irish, and a key-shaped cake to symbolize the anticipated ''opening'' to Iran.
These and other details of the secret American operation are discussed at length in the report, but much of the material has already appeared in public in the more than two months since the revelations began with publication of a story about the McFarlane mission in a small Beirut weekly. In effect, the report supplies a useful chronology of the events.
The rather bizarre details of the McFarlane mission were first made known by the Iranian Speaker of Parliament, Hojatolislam Hashemi Rafsanjani, on Nov. 4, when the secret operation first became known. Hojatolislam Rafsanjani also said that the Americans had been disguised and that they had carried sets of Colt pistols as gifts. But these details were not confirmed in the report."
LINK
How should it work over there? What is our best policy? Using history as our guide always, we can look at the Brits going back to the Golden Age under Elizabeth.
Brit policy was to support a weaker continental country against the strongest continental country. Spain ascendant? Support the Dutch. France Ascendant? Support the Spanish. Russia a problem? Ally with France and support Turkey. Germany ascendant? Support France. Germans at your throat again? Support France again. Unceremoniously ejected from the continent? Enlist the United States.
That policy works. It worked for the Brits for 300 years. We are doing exactly the opposite in our policy currently. The ally we need in that region is IRAN. We pretty much shanghaied them into being our ally in the 1950's. After their revolution we should have enlisted them as such again. The Reagan Administration took them a cake. The Iranians have a large population they have a long and proud history and they are NOT Arab. They hate the Arabs. THEY could act as a foil to Saudi Arabia. which is our greatest enemy in the region by far, and perhaps the world.
Supporting the second strongest power in a region against the strongest is a proven policy.
We don't pursue that policy because the Jewish State doesn't like it.
Taking out obvious foes of Saudi Arabia - Iraq and Iran -- that hurts our interests, but supports Israel, and they could sure as Hell GAF about United States interests.
This post was edited on 4/20/17 at 10:05 am
Posted on 4/20/17 at 10:04 am to WhiskeyPapa
Probably because Iran wants to irradiate the Jewish state and backs proxies like Hezbollah to constantly harass Israel.
Posted on 4/20/17 at 10:07 am to CelticDog
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What changes in usa policy will get iran to stop financing hezbollah?
Play into anti semetism?
It seems to be anti-Semitism if you are loyal to the United States.
We should cultivate Iran. That will put Israel AND Saudi Arabia on notice.
Most of the people alive in Iran today were born after the US embassy was stormed in 1979. The opportunity is there.
Posted on 4/20/17 at 10:08 am to kingbob
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Probably because Iran wants to irradiate the Jewish state and backs proxies like Hezbollah to constantly harass Israel.
All the more reason to stop bear baiting them.
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