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re: Trump - We will Close The Border Permanently If Mexico Doesn't Deport Migrants
Posted on 11/26/18 at 9:05 am to MrCarton
Posted on 11/26/18 at 9:05 am to MrCarton
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I think it won't matter if we lose the white majority.
It's almost a certainty that white people won't be a majority, but rather will be the largest minority, which is predicted to happen sometime between 2030 and 2060. The TFR of American white people has been below replacement since 1979. The TFR of Hispanic and Black Americans has similarly declined, to where both groups are below replacement. Without major welfare reform, immigration is the only way to sustain the population base to fund these programs, among many other programs.
FWIW, I think lots of behaviors are class-based rather than strictly race-based. SFP has done a lot of good posts about how lower-class whites have similar outcomes to lower-class groups of other races.
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Posted on 11/26/18 at 9:10 am to crazy4lsu
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lower-class whites have similar outcomes to lower-class groups of other races.
which is why republicans depend on bible stories and the control of women to incite poor whites to vote tax cuts for companies and the super rich.
This post was edited on 11/26/18 at 9:11 am
Posted on 11/26/18 at 9:10 am to CelticDog
You have become a caricature 
Posted on 11/26/18 at 9:11 am to crazy4lsu
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It's almost a certainty that white people won't be a majority, but rather will be the largest minority, which is predicted to happen sometime between 2030 and 2060. The TFR of American white people has been below replacement since 1979. The TFR of Hispanic and Black Americans has similarly declined, to where both groups are below replacement. Without major welfare reform, immigration is the only way to sustain the population base to fund these programs, among many other programs.
Yep.
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FWIW, I think lots of behaviors are class-based rather than strictly race-based. SFP has done a lot of good posts about how lower-class whites have similar outcomes to lower-class groups of other races.
I've seen lots and lots of these studies, and there is of course a lot of truth to the concept of class paring between races. Unfortunately, the cultural struggle, which is a zero-sum struggle, between the groups exists outside of economic classes.
There can be a degree of integration of outsiders in a social system, but it can't be anything like what we are experiencing now. The truth as I've come to accept it is that the races are very different, adapted to excel in different social systems. Given the choice, we gravitate towards people of our own kind for a reason.
This post was edited on 11/26/18 at 9:12 am
Posted on 11/26/18 at 9:12 am to CelticDog
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which is why republicans depend on bible stories and the control of women to incite poor whites to vote tax cuts for companies and the super rich.
Derp
Posted on 11/26/18 at 9:18 am to MrLarson
Way to go, Trump! Turn 'em back so we won't have to pay for their existence in our country. 
Posted on 11/26/18 at 9:21 am to MrLarson
I’m ready to start voting with my money. If it says Made in Mexico, gonna pass.
Posted on 11/26/18 at 9:23 am to CelticDog
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which is why republicans depend on bible stories and the control of women to incite poor whites to vote tax cuts for companies and the super rich.
This is the dumbest shite you've posted in a day or two.
Posted on 11/26/18 at 9:25 am to MrCarton
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Unfortunately, the cultural struggle, which is a zero-sum struggle, between the groups exists outside of economic classes.
Sure, but these struggles aren't immutable. The percentage of admixture will double by 2060, and I'd argue that most of that admixture will occur when different groups are together in the same economic class. That won't be a small group of people. That will be something like 40 million people.
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There can be a degree of integration of outsiders in a social system, but it can't be anything like what we are experiencing now. The truth as I've come to accept it is that the races are very different, adapted to excel in different social systems. Given the choice, we gravitate towards people of our own kind for a reason.
While your last sentence is true, I'm a bit more positive about our integration efforts, for numerous reasons. Firstly, American culture is so pervasive that integration is easier now than ever before. Secondly, places like Minnesota has seen crime decline to levels not seen since before the Drug War, despite the fact that white people are decreasing as a percentage of the population. This could mean multiple things that we can delve into, but that is a pattern seen throughout the country, as the crime index has declined steadily from its highs in the 1990s all across the country. The key has to be economic growth and opportunity that is available to all groups, which I think America does better than pretty much every other country in the world.
I'm not suggesting that we should have open borders, but that the US is doing really well along multiple metrics. The major issues to fix are healthcare and the debt, but I see lots of positives going forward.
Posted on 11/26/18 at 9:29 am to MrCarton
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Too many brown people displacing whites in our own country.
Alright man, I'm all for stopping illegal immigration but this is fricking racist.
Posted on 11/26/18 at 9:39 am to Muleriderhog
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Alright man, I'm all for stopping illegal immigration but this is fricking racist.
So? This is the reality that you live in. You can accept hordes of third world brown people into your country and give them and their many many children equal political power and live with the fallout of that idiocy, or you can admit that America is better off (for everyone) if white people maintain a majority.
Posted on 11/26/18 at 9:44 am to MrCarton
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This post was edited on 3/6/21 at 1:45 am
Posted on 11/26/18 at 9:48 am to MrCarton
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Ok, so you want a majority brown nation.
I don't give a shite what color people are, racist.
Posted on 11/26/18 at 9:49 am to MrLarson
Trump is just talking shite here.
Posted on 11/26/18 at 9:51 am to Lakeboy7
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Go to a large city in the Northeast, Jersey, Connecticut, Philly. What you see is a mish mash of races that have lived together for generations and they do gravitate toward each other as members of the underclass.
I've been to cities all over the world, and given a viable choice, like demographics cohabitate.
Even in "enlightened" America, groups of the same economic class live on opposite sides of the tracks, or form their own communities next to one another. Many people literally never leave their little corner of the city.
Sometimes it's more obvious, because these areas are called names like "China town" or "little Italy". It's really quite obvious that races prefer live among their own in aggregate. Nothing shows that more starkly than watching different people who share the same streets literally ignore one another their entire lives.
But none of that really changes the fact that bringing in people from a totally different nation, culture, and background into this nation, unique as most other nations are, will fundamentally transform it.
This post was edited on 11/26/18 at 11:22 am
Posted on 11/26/18 at 9:53 am to MrCarton
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This post was edited on 3/6/21 at 1:43 am
Posted on 11/26/18 at 9:54 am to Rex
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I don't give a shite what color people are, racist.
Omgnopleaseno
Posted on 11/26/18 at 9:57 am to Lakeboy7
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Gets smaller everyday.*
*see underclass
No idea what that means.
Posted on 11/26/18 at 10:01 am to MrCarton
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Sometimes it's more obvious, because these areas are called names like "China town" or "little Italy"
That's far more true in the 1st generation than it is in the 2nd generation. One of the visible signs of integration is the degree of diffusion that exists in large cities, so much so that markers like Chinatown are more vestiges than descriptions.
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But none of that really changes the fact that bringing in people from a totally different nation, culture, and background into this nation, unique as most other nations are, will fundamentally transform it.
Of course it will change it. But America has been the best in the world at integrating immigrants, as long as they want to be integrated. It also shames and shuns those who don't want to be integrated.
Whenever discussions like this show up on the board, I'm reminded of this quote in an article about Algerians in France.
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“In the 14 years I have been here, I have never really been accepted, neither socially nor professionally,” said Sami Rahemi, who was born in Algeria, moved to France when he was 5 and returned to Algeria as an investor when he was 35. “Ever since I arrived in 1992, I have been called ‘the emigrant.’ I have always been defined by my migratory flow and never by what I am as a person. I had lived two years earlier in California, and everyone called me by my name there.”
I think it shows that Americans are far more concerned with what a person contributes than where they are from, and it makes me proud to be American. I believe in the country a great deal, and I think it can survive any demographic transition.
Posted on 11/26/18 at 10:03 am to crazy4lsu
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m not suggesting that we should have open borders, but that the US is doing really well along multiple metrics. The major issues to fix are healthcare and the debt, but I see lots of positives going forward.
I see almost no positives in allowing Somalis to move to northern US, establish almost completely isolated political strongholds at the expense of taxpayers and the debt burden, then allowing them to elect representatives that have represent social and political norms that are almost entirely alien to those who've paid for their presence in this country to begin with.
Economic numbers going up is not a great indicator of health in our society and under the current system. At some point, pumping these people in will be like pumping the chest of a 95 year old heart attack victim. Your moving the blood around, but there is no life left.
In a more natural immigration context, I'd have virtually no problem with Somalis trying to move to the US. the natural screening processes of the market are completely obliterated by the massive hand of the federal government as it is, therefore we need far more restrictive policies.
This post was edited on 11/26/18 at 10:05 am
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