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re: True or false. GOP impeachment of Clinton
Posted on 1/30/20 at 8:29 am to Walkthedawg
Posted on 1/30/20 at 8:29 am to Walkthedawg
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Defending this sleaze bad are you?
No just coming to terms with the times and looking back at how I viewed the Clinton impeachment then and now relative to how Democrats sounded then and now.
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Posted on 1/30/20 at 8:31 am to 3nOut
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I am amazed at people who still choose to think Clinton was impeached for sex.
It's what led to it
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And honestly, if he hadn’t said “sexual relations” he would be fine.
Are you not contradicting yourself?
Posted on 1/30/20 at 8:34 am to ApexTiger
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then he lied under oath about it.
Exactly. Seeing as to how lying under oath is not broken down into categories of little lies, medium lies and big lies, then we only have to interpret a lie as a lie inre perjury. Perjury in a court of law can get you some time in the crossbar hotel. A president lying under oath should not be taken lightly.
His cheating on his wife is not even an illegal act. Kinda crazy ain't it that cheating on your wife is legally okay but lying about it isn't but that is the law we live with.
Posted on 1/30/20 at 8:57 am to Homesick Tiger
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A president lying under oath should not be taken lightly.
he was impeached for it, so it wasn't taken lightly...
I am merely examining the overall theme of how the GOP got Clinton on the stand under oath ...
he gambled that lying would make it go away..
he lost his attorney privileges and that was basically his biggest penalty as I recall
look what I found this morning....
the same exact charges
Impeachment of Bill Clinton
Description The impeachment of Bill Clinton was initiated on October 8, 1998, when the United States House of Representatives voted to commence impeachment proceedings against Bill Clinton, the 42nd president of the United States, for "high crimes and misdemeanors". Wikipedia
Charges: Perjury (2), obstruction of justice, abuse of power
Dates: Dec 19, 1998 – Feb 12, 1999
Outcome: Acquitted by the U.S. Senate, remained in office
So I ask again, are we sure that the democrats aren't simply playing "Pay back" since Trump has thrown the Clintons under the bus so many times...
Posted on 1/30/20 at 9:01 am to ApexTiger
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it's disappointing our leader would betray the first lady and lie to us
Lol
Posted on 1/30/20 at 9:07 am to BlackPawnMartyr
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Lol
so if that's funny, then demanding he be put under oath and removed from office for perjury is justified?
Posted on 1/30/20 at 9:13 am to ApexTiger
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he was impeached for it, so it wasn't taken lightly...
Exactly, a severe offense. Hillary already knew her husband slept around on her. I just can't figure out why he perjured himself about it, seeing as to how he couldn't run again for prez. What did he have to lose?
Posted on 1/30/20 at 9:13 am to ApexTiger
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It's what led to it
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And honestly, if he hadn’t said “sexual relations” he would be fine.
Are you not contradicting yourself
It was a process crime. He was under oath about other sexual crimes and then lied about a different sexual activities (that wasn’t a crime)
No it’s not contradictory. If he had just said “I didn’t sleep with her” instead of “I did not have sexual relations” he wouldn’t have been lying and this not lied under oath.
Posted on 1/30/20 at 9:36 am to ApexTiger
quote:That never happened.
GOP impeachment of Clinton
over his sexual sins in the oval office
Posted on 1/30/20 at 10:18 am to ApexTiger
That is exactly why. I think if the Republican's hadn't impeached we would not see it done now so cavalierly. The democrats warned us.....
Posted on 1/30/20 at 10:19 am to ApexTiger
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over his sexual sins in the oval office
Bzzzzzzzzzzz! Wrong.
Posted on 1/30/20 at 11:00 am to ApexTiger
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But looking back on it I see that even though it's disappointing our leader would betray the first lady and lie to us, it's not worthy of punishable removal from office. Not impeachable offense
How can you not have a functional brain?
I'm really asking.
1. I'm about 99.9% sure he didn't betray HRC.
2. He did lie to the public but who wouldn't have.
3. Mother f@cking wtf? He was impeached for perjury.
Posted on 1/30/20 at 11:21 am to goatmilker
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He did lie to the public but who wouldn't have
I wouldn't...
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I'm about 99.9% sure he didn't betray HRC.
Adultery is a form of betrayal...
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. Mother f@cking wtf? He was impeached for perjury
Did I say he wasn't ? At least think about the circumstances that led to Clinton being under oath.
Your post is incoherent
Posted on 1/30/20 at 11:28 am to ApexTiger
I agree it gives Democrats the opening to have this sham. If the media was remotely honest they would point out that Clinton broke an actual law and continued to lie about it.
I would say it wasn't a high crime but he did lose his law license.
It is dishonest to compare the two for a couple of reasons.
One being he broke an actual definable law. The current mess is a pile of subjective feelings.
Two being that the last administration investigated a political opponent and leaked the investigation.
Democrats are impeaching Trump for ATTEMPTING what Obama actually did.
In summary, I would agree the Clinton impeachment opened the door. I would say I am not certain if the attempt would have been made anyway even if the Clinton impeachment never happened. Just made it easier in their minds.
I would say it wasn't a high crime but he did lose his law license.
It is dishonest to compare the two for a couple of reasons.
One being he broke an actual definable law. The current mess is a pile of subjective feelings.
Two being that the last administration investigated a political opponent and leaked the investigation.
Democrats are impeaching Trump for ATTEMPTING what Obama actually did.
In summary, I would agree the Clinton impeachment opened the door. I would say I am not certain if the attempt would have been made anyway even if the Clinton impeachment never happened. Just made it easier in their minds.
Posted on 1/30/20 at 11:52 am to ApexTiger
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thought if he can get away with this this is such a badd example for our young people."we must make an example out of him"
This was pretty similar to my thoughts at the time.
BUT there were two more things involved -
FIRST - this kind of behavior leaves the POTUS liable to Blackmail -
SECOND - he actually DID abuse his power by engaging in open sexual harassment in the White House. Interns who would not gobble his knob had no chance for advancement or favored jobs. Get on your knees and you will be feted and placed in choice positions.
THIRD - he suborned perjury - and provided gifts as return favors.
In short - he was an extremely bad influence on how the nation has evoloved since his tenure - oral sex became a common junior high school activity - the moral fiber of the nation was defiled. His libertine lifestyle became a model for the generations since and was a huge influence on the 'if it feels good do it.: melange we suffer today.
SO - yes he deserved to be taken out of office to remove the cancer before it spread. We are now living in the horrid aftermath of his tenure.
OH - and don't praise his 'successes' to much - he came to office (in my opinion) as a result of conspiracy between himself and Ross Perot. He campaigned on the false assertion of "worst economy in 50 years' - when there was nothing more than a technical reset following the 12 years of constant advances set in motion by Reagan. The 'recession' was the shortest on record and was over before the election happened.
Every 'achievement' he is credited with was forced upon him by the GOP house and designed by GOP legislators. He and the DEMs fought them took and nail and finally succumbed to public acceptance of the GOP initiatives.
He was glib and a master politician - smart as hell - but not a shred of character or morality. He was a bad POTUS in addition to being a horrible human being.
My only regret is that the impeachment failed - The House should have known it had no chance of succeeding - they should have settled for censure.
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