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re: Trey Gowdy transcript from today... No edits to twist it
Posted on 2/5/18 at 8:06 am to wickowick
Posted on 2/5/18 at 8:06 am to wickowick
quote:Who cares what evidence Tery Gowdy has seen?
I have seen no evidence of collusion between President Trump and the Russians or his campaign and the Russians.
I'm betting Robert Mueller has seen a shite ton of evidence given Repugs' traitorous efforts to deflect.
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Posted on 2/5/18 at 8:11 am to austintigerdad
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I'm betting Robert Mueller has seen a shite ton of evidence given Repugs' traitorous efforts to deflect
Give it up cupcake.
shite sack bob has already moved on from fabricated claims of collusion to fabricated claims of obstruction.
Posted on 2/5/18 at 8:16 am to austintigerdad
Your peeps are going down and they are going down hard, enjoy the ride, I know we will...
Posted on 2/5/18 at 8:17 am to austintigerdad
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m betting Robert Mueller has seen a shite ton of evidence given Repugs' traitorous efforts to deflect.
And that explains all those arrests being made for actual espionage, sedition or money laundering?
Posted on 2/5/18 at 8:23 am to member12
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Which is astounding considering that FISA court is basically a rubber stamp.
My laugh is when they constantly talk in the Press about how FISA warrants are so detailed and can be as much as 50 PAGES long
You couldn't even order lunch for the Senate with just 50 pages.
Seriously think about any Government action and how small and insignificant an item of only 50 pages would be.
Posted on 2/5/18 at 8:29 am to Robin Masters
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And that explains all those arrests being made for actual espionage, sedition or money laundering?
Plea deal means you agree to admit to a lesser crime than what the prosecution believes they can prove in court. It is usually advantageous to the prosecution because it avoids trial, or they are able to provide evidence on others.
Posted on 2/5/18 at 8:29 am to RobbBobb
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McCabe - resigned
This should be changed to "fired" so he won't get his nice, cushy gov't pension.
Posted on 2/5/18 at 8:36 am to Loserman
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Regardless of how shady Page has been made out to be due to previous activities in his past, It needs to be pointed out that Carter Page has not been charged with anything!
No need. He's the gift that keeps on giving.
Posted on 2/5/18 at 8:54 am to tigerinDC09
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Plea deal means you agree to admit to a lesser crime than what YOU BELIEVE the prosecution can prove in court. It is usually advantageous to the prosecution because it avoids trial, or they are able to provide evidence on others.
fixed it for you. Important distinction considering the accusations of fraudulent evidence being used. Not to mention they are looking to alter Flynn’s guilty plea/sentencing.
Posted on 2/5/18 at 8:56 am to Robin Masters
quote:"They"? You mean all of his lawyers that just quit?
Not to mention they are looking to alter Flynn’s guilty plea/sentencing.
Posted on 2/5/18 at 9:25 am to Loserman
So clearly from this interview, Gowdy's assertions are this:
1. The FISA abuses (using the dossier and circular sourcing) are a separate issue from the Russia/Mueller investigation. This isn't the big revelation Democrats are trying to make it out to be. The two issues have been improperly conflated.
2. There were only 3 things used to secure the FISA warrant. The dossier, the Yahoo/Isikoff article (circular sourcing, Steele and FBI the source for both), and prior information on Page from his previous investigation (ie. the investigation from 2013-2014 that turned up fruitless, resulted in zero charges, and was closed). In other words, the FBI and DOJ abused the FISA process.
3. Gowdy has seen all the evidence thus far and has seen none that implicates any sort of collusion between Trump and his surrogates.
4. Page was clearly used as a means to get access to surveiling Team Trump.
5. The Russia investigation is separate and ongoing because of something to do with a Cambridge Analytica email (no clue what this is about) and because Papadopoulos got drunk and mouthed off to some Aussie in a UK bar about Russians.
But we already know the deal with Papadopoulos. He was literally a nobody who kept wanting to play in the big boy pool but got shot down every time he tried anything.
Gowdy has seen all the evidence surrounding Papadouche and this Cambridge Analytica email, and he still contends there's no evidence of Team Trump colluding with any Russians. And, Mueller has only charged Papadouche with yet another process crime of lying to investigators.
In other words, it sounds like the "Russia Collusion Investigation" might just be near done. This is why it seems like the concentration has shifted to "Obstruction of Justice".
Meaning I'm getting the sense that Gowdy is saying he "has confidence in Mueller" because he knows the Russia Collusion part of the investigation is over.
The other possibility is Gowdy is trying to play possum and appear objective and get in favor with the Democrats because he is about to be named Special Prosecutor to investigate the FISA abuses. Or maybe Sessions is about to be fired and Gowdy named AG.
Something strange is happening with Gowdy, though. He said he wants to "leave politics and re-enter the justice system again". But then he turns down a Judgeship offer in his home state? Something is about to happen with him in the justice department, I'm pretty confident.
1. The FISA abuses (using the dossier and circular sourcing) are a separate issue from the Russia/Mueller investigation. This isn't the big revelation Democrats are trying to make it out to be. The two issues have been improperly conflated.
2. There were only 3 things used to secure the FISA warrant. The dossier, the Yahoo/Isikoff article (circular sourcing, Steele and FBI the source for both), and prior information on Page from his previous investigation (ie. the investigation from 2013-2014 that turned up fruitless, resulted in zero charges, and was closed). In other words, the FBI and DOJ abused the FISA process.
3. Gowdy has seen all the evidence thus far and has seen none that implicates any sort of collusion between Trump and his surrogates.
4. Page was clearly used as a means to get access to surveiling Team Trump.
5. The Russia investigation is separate and ongoing because of something to do with a Cambridge Analytica email (no clue what this is about) and because Papadopoulos got drunk and mouthed off to some Aussie in a UK bar about Russians.
But we already know the deal with Papadopoulos. He was literally a nobody who kept wanting to play in the big boy pool but got shot down every time he tried anything.
Gowdy has seen all the evidence surrounding Papadouche and this Cambridge Analytica email, and he still contends there's no evidence of Team Trump colluding with any Russians. And, Mueller has only charged Papadouche with yet another process crime of lying to investigators.
In other words, it sounds like the "Russia Collusion Investigation" might just be near done. This is why it seems like the concentration has shifted to "Obstruction of Justice".
Meaning I'm getting the sense that Gowdy is saying he "has confidence in Mueller" because he knows the Russia Collusion part of the investigation is over.
The other possibility is Gowdy is trying to play possum and appear objective and get in favor with the Democrats because he is about to be named Special Prosecutor to investigate the FISA abuses. Or maybe Sessions is about to be fired and Gowdy named AG.
Something strange is happening with Gowdy, though. He said he wants to "leave politics and re-enter the justice system again". But then he turns down a Judgeship offer in his home state? Something is about to happen with him in the justice department, I'm pretty confident.
Posted on 2/5/18 at 10:29 am to Robin Masters
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fixed it for you. Important distinction considering the accusations of fraudulent evidence being used. Not to mention they are looking to alter Flynn’s guilty plea/sentencing.
He took money from RT. Now if someone wants to tell me I'm just an idiot and this wasn't actually a crime then by all means do, but I read 18 USC 207 and OGE Legal Advisory 16-08 (post gov employment) and it seems like it's a pretty open and shut case that he took money he shouldn't have. He should lose his pension and be charged with a felony if he didn't 'fess up during the transition.
It's not like say, Kushner, where there was probably a legitimate reason he met with the head of a proscribed Russian bank who also happened to be a former KGB agent and then went to the Russian embassy to try and get a secure line only to be laughed out of the building. No, this is much worse.
This post was edited on 2/5/18 at 10:31 am
Posted on 2/5/18 at 10:38 am to Mephistopheles
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t's a pretty open and shut case that he took money he shouldn't have
He didn't take money he shouldn't have. He's free to earn money any legal way he can. It was well known he took this money before he filed his paper work. The idea he was hiding something is ridiculous. It's must be in an attempt to deceive in order to be criminal.
Your post makes no sense.
Posted on 2/5/18 at 10:39 am to Turbeauxdog
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shite sack bob has already moved on from fabricated claims of collusion to fabricated claims of obstruction.
This is undeniable.
Posted on 2/5/18 at 10:44 am to BeefDawg
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Something strange is happening with Gowdy, though. He said he wants to "leave politics and re-enter the justice system again". But then he turns down a Judgeship offer in his home state? Something is about to happen with him in the justice department, I'm pretty confident.
I don't see why he would have to announce he's retiring for that though...unless it's a veiled threat to those in power.
Posted on 2/5/18 at 10:57 am to Jjdoc
Was Carter part of the Trump campaign?
Was Papadopoulos part of the campaign or just an unpaid aide?
Confused why this is part of the memo. Both were needed to be spied on. Carter had been part of FBI investigation since 2013 and was giving speeches in Russia at the time that were sketchy. Pap got drunk and was talking about Russia and Wikileaks with the Australian ambassador.
Both guys screwed themselves and it doesn’t matter if they were Americans if they were talking about or saying things that could negatively affect our country.
Was Papadopoulos part of the campaign or just an unpaid aide?
Confused why this is part of the memo. Both were needed to be spied on. Carter had been part of FBI investigation since 2013 and was giving speeches in Russia at the time that were sketchy. Pap got drunk and was talking about Russia and Wikileaks with the Australian ambassador.
Both guys screwed themselves and it doesn’t matter if they were Americans if they were talking about or saying things that could negatively affect our country.
Posted on 2/5/18 at 1:17 pm to moneyg
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I don't see why he would have to announce he's retiring for that though...unless it's a veiled threat to those in power.
Because his seat was up for re-election and he had to either declare he was re-running or not. And the time limit to declare is now.
So he had to say something, otherwise everyone would have noticed he didn't fill out the paperwork to run again and it would have come out anyway.
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