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re: Trade deficit comes in better than expectations

Posted on 12/11/25 at 10:05 am to
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
297196 posts
Posted on 12/11/25 at 10:05 am to
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I call you out and you come back with this made up BS.


All you are proving is you have zero clue what youre talking about.
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
57136 posts
Posted on 12/11/25 at 10:06 am to
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Your emotional pro tariff reaction is counter to sound economic policy.


Liberal economic policy. As self-described by the owners of the publication you cite. As I said, your transition is almost complete.
Posted by BCreed1
Alabama
Member since Jan 2024
6443 posts
Posted on 12/11/25 at 10:06 am to
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Biggest tax on the American public in decades


Does not compute...

US consumers are spending more in nominal terms compared to last year, with retail sales and personal consumption up 4–5% year-over-year (y/y) through October 2025. This reflects resilience amid low unemployment and wage growth outpacing inflation.


Again, you are living in rules that do not apply in this economy.


Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
57136 posts
Posted on 12/11/25 at 10:07 am to
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All you are proving is you have zero clue what youre talking about.


Well. I knew you were posting from a liberal-owned website. You didn’t know that. you have said nothing of substance and have only posted liberal citations and made logical fallacies the basis of your “arguments.” You just aren’t very smart.
Posted by frogtown
Member since Aug 2017
5769 posts
Posted on 12/11/25 at 10:08 am to
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Milton was pro open borders.


False. Show me where he openly advocated for "open borders". Never happened. All he said was you cannot have open borders combined with a welfare state.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
297196 posts
Posted on 12/11/25 at 10:08 am to
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Liberal economic policy.


Thats embarrassing for you.


Quick couple of questions...

1) What is Mercantilism?
2) When did it thrive?
3) What has changed economically between Mercantilism and the current era?

Thanks
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
57136 posts
Posted on 12/11/25 at 10:08 am to
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You have never heard of it, so you diss it without ever addressing the information. "Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people." Charles Stewart


I knew they were owned by liberals. You didn’t. Moron.
Posted by JimEverett
Member since May 2020
1978 posts
Posted on 12/11/25 at 10:09 am to
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This is not true


It is not axiomatic. We were running small trade deficits in the 90s and also had a budget surplus. But that sort of proves my point. In 2000 the trade deficit exploded, going from roughly 2% of GDP to 4%. And what was the consequence? Tax cuts and elevated spending - which wiped out the fiscal surplus.

If a country is experiencing huge growth of domestic savings then it can fund increased budget deficits, but assuming domestic saving is basically flat (which it usually is) then you will need foreign investment to fund the fiscal deficits. The only way to get foreign capital inflows in such a situation is to run a trade deficit.

And going the other way - like in 2000 If you see a big uptick in the trade deficit then you are seeing a corresponding loss of domestic demand. Some level is sustainable (perhaps the 2% of GDP mark) but at some point above that the impact will be too much and require government "stimulus", i.e. deficit spending through increases in expenditures, tax cuts, or both.

This post was edited on 12/11/25 at 10:16 am
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
57136 posts
Posted on 12/11/25 at 10:09 am to
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Thats embarrassing for you.


that’s how they self-describe their stance, dummy. It’s right there if you weren’t a complete moron that couldnt do a modicum of research.
This post was edited on 12/11/25 at 10:11 am
Posted by BCreed1
Alabama
Member since Jan 2024
6443 posts
Posted on 12/11/25 at 10:11 am to
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You will not read this anyway. Rush Limbaugh echoed this same sentiment.


Sort of like how Milton changed his out look based on realities. You can believe something to be true because on paper, it looks great. But when you add reality, things change.

Milton was a liberal and changed his views as his understanding of reality happened. He was open border too. But in reality, he came to understand that he could not have that part of "free trade" due to the welfare state.

"free trade" as it was sold was great on paper. The results were horrible for this nation. The bad out weighed the good. All it takes is to actually stop the indoctrination and study it.

Posted by BCreed1
Alabama
Member since Jan 2024
6443 posts
Posted on 12/11/25 at 10:12 am to
National Review... LOL. Bill Kristols rag? LMAO!

Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
297196 posts
Posted on 12/11/25 at 10:14 am to
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Well. I knew you were posting from a liberal-owned website.


How embarrassing for you.
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Liberty Fund is a private, non-profit educational foundation established to encourage the study of the ideal of a society of free and responsible individuals


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Collectivism emphasizes group goals, community, and interdependence, prioritizing group harmony and coherence.

Individualism prioritizes personal autonomy, self-expression, and independence, focusing on personal rights and freedoms.


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American conservatism represents a political and philosophical ideology rooted in a commitment to tradition, limited government, and established institutions. It emphasizes core principles such as individual liberty, adherence to the rule of law, and a belief in foundational values.

Posted by BCreed1
Alabama
Member since Jan 2024
6443 posts
Posted on 12/11/25 at 10:14 am to
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Law and liberty…

owned by Liberty Fund which describes their political agenda as:

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Our titles in political thought encompass the ideals of the classical liberal tradition,





LMAO!
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
297196 posts
Posted on 12/11/25 at 10:14 am to
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"free trade" as it was sold was great on paper.


Protectionsm doesnt look good on paper, or reality.
Posted by BCreed1
Alabama
Member since Jan 2024
6443 posts
Posted on 12/11/25 at 10:16 am to
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In fact, the latest round of tariffs threatens to throw the entire American economy into a recession—or worse.



The reason we have this extra tax?


LOL! Man. Bless your heart.

You have been praying the fire down for the promised recession. Has not happened.

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Your emotional pro tariff reaction is counter to sound economic policy.


There is nothing emotional about my reaction. That's you. My response is based on history and results. NONE of which you can dispute.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
297196 posts
Posted on 12/11/25 at 10:17 am to
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classical liberal tradition,


- Libertarian.

Dummy
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
297196 posts
Posted on 12/11/25 at 10:17 am to
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There is nothing emotional about my reaction.


Its purely emotional drivel.
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
57136 posts
Posted on 12/11/25 at 10:20 am to

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Libertarian. Dummy



Liar.

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Our titles in political thought encompass the ideals of the classical liberal tradition


You dumb moron

Posted by RollTide4547
Member since Dec 2024
3549 posts
Posted on 12/11/25 at 10:20 am to
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Biggest tax on the American public in decades
Taxes make the purchase price higher. Show me the increase in purchase prices. It's been 8 months and I'm not seeing them.
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
57136 posts
Posted on 12/11/25 at 10:21 am to
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There is nothing emotional about my reaction. That's you. My response is based on history and results. NONE of which you can dispute.


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Its purely emotional drivel.


notice you couldn’t refute. Just like he said.
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