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Posted on 1/26/17 at 10:52 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 1/26/17 at 10:52 am to SlowFlowPro
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i don't think it would be that difficult for the federal government to mandate that these companies monitor these transactions and report repeated international transfers (to Mexico, Honduras, Guatemala, etc)
how the hell would they know where it was coming from and going to? I guess they could eventually figure it out, but just remember this is "bigger" gov't which you are against.
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Posted on 1/26/17 at 10:58 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:The point of taxing remittances is to pay for the wall, no?
the point is to stop the behavior; not to make money
Posted on 1/26/17 at 10:59 am to SlowFlowPro
Silly me - I thought the point was to tax remittances in order to fund construction of the wall, not to spend more money cracking down on a black market. Ryan is going to have to increase projections on the cost of the wall. We need more money allocated for detection and seizure of remittances going over and under the wall.
Posted on 1/26/17 at 11:00 am to WildTchoupitoulas
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fedgov can't stop unsophisticated illegal immigrants entering the country.
That because the fedgov under Obama never wanted to stop illegal immigrants, sophisticated or not.
Posted on 1/26/17 at 11:00 am to WildTchoupitoulas
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Then when cities, whose resources are limited, tell fedgov that immigration is their problem, and they can't afford to do fedgov's work for them, what does fedgov do? Cut fedgov funding.
you're putting a nice little spin on this
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Can you tell me how that's supposed to help enforce fedgov laws in those cities?
by making the cities stop lying and aiding people in violating federal law
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until they appeal to emotions and propose policy that is designed to assuage our irrational fears. Then they are all powerful and can overcome natural market forces. Amirite?
bro
look at online poker
look at a slew of other industries
fedgov is very powerful when it wants to regulate something. when it's tried, it's basically only failed with drugs
Posted on 1/26/17 at 11:01 am to Hawkeye95
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how the hell would they know where it was coming from and going to?
if we're talking about online transfers, that's easy (IP)
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but just remember this is "bigger" gov't which you are against
i'm not arguing my preferred policy in this thread (go see my posts about the leviathan)
i'm arguing reality here
Posted on 1/26/17 at 11:02 am to mmcgrath
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The point of taxing remittances is to pay for the wall, no?
i think it's a negotiating tactic being used to break Mexico so they offer better trade deals with the US, honestly
same with the wall
Posted on 1/26/17 at 11:04 am to GumboPot
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That because the fedgov under Obama never wanted to stop illegal immigrants
Can you name me one president that has been able to keep immigrants from crossing the southern border?Why you think it's just Obama?
The real reason is: MARKET FORCES.
Why have conservatives suddenly abandoned economics? It's fricking bizarre.
Posted on 1/26/17 at 11:05 am to WildTchoupitoulas
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Can you name me one president that has been able to keep immigrants from crossing the southern border?
i don't think any have really ever tried, honestly
Posted on 1/26/17 at 11:07 am to GumboPot
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companies and people spend billions if not trillions trying to avoid government taxes every year
Thank you for supporting my position.
Look for a check in the mail.
Posted on 1/26/17 at 11:08 am to SlowFlowPro
Well, Trump's website says the remittance tax is to fund the wall. Depending on how much the wall costs, we will have to collect a hefty tax on a huge percentage of remittances over the course of many years. And that's not counting the money spent enforcing/prosecuting.
And consider that if the wall works too well, you actually lose taxable remittances.
The whole funding mechanism is very fragile and the wall could wind up being very expensive after taking all of the private land and the associated court costs.
And consider that if the wall works too well, you actually lose taxable remittances.
The whole funding mechanism is very fragile and the wall could wind up being very expensive after taking all of the private land and the associated court costs.
Posted on 1/26/17 at 11:08 am to SlowFlowPro
Many experts believe that E-verify would so sharply curtail immigrants crossing over that it would be negligible. I think if you paired that with no schooling or benefits for illegals it would end tomorrow. Unfortunately, our Supreme Court had a different idea in 1982.
Posted on 1/26/17 at 11:10 am to teampick
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Certainly you understand the black market and how it works. We've had bootleggers, cocaine cowboys, gun runners, etc, etc. if people want to avoid the remittances, a new economy will take root to make it happen. It's inevitable.
Welcome to anarcho-capitalism!
I knew you would see it our way!
Posted on 1/26/17 at 11:11 am to SlowFlowPro
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you're putting a nice little spin on this
That's not spin, that's actually what's happening. Municipalities have told fedgov that their immigration system is broken, and it's not the job of the local police to fix it for them.
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by making the cities stop lying and aiding people in violating federal law
I don't think you understand what's going on. Why should a municipality be responsible for enforcing federal law?
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look at online poker
No more internet gambling, :omg: !
...oh, wait, there's other forms of internet gambling that have evolved to replace poker. :whew:
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fedgov is very powerful when it wants to regulate something. when it's tried, it's basically only failed with drugs
And booze, and immigration, and health care...
When did you abandon economic principles and become a statist?
Posted on 1/26/17 at 11:13 am to SlowFlowPro
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i don't think any have really ever tried, honestly
You're right, too much demand in the marketplace for their labor.
Posted on 1/26/17 at 11:13 am to WildTchoupitoulas
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Municipalities have told fedgov that their immigration system is broken, and it's not the job of the local police to fix it for them.
because they want to protect illegals and are giving an excuse why they won't comply with federal law
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Why should a municipality be responsible for enforcing federal law?
they do this shite ALL the time. how do you think local/state LEO get all that sweet DOJ asset forfeiture money?
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And booze
that was pre-Wickard. not the same fedgov
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and health care...
what? the ACA was a huge takeover of healthcare by the leviathan
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When did you abandon economic principles and become a statist?
if you had any real comprehension of all of my posts in this thread you'd understand why this comment is absurd
Posted on 1/26/17 at 11:14 am to SlowFlowPro
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if we're talking about online transfers, that's easy (IP)
I don't think it would be that easy, as almost everything could be done in mexico.
Posted on 1/26/17 at 11:14 am to cahoots
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Taxing remittances won't work well by cahoots
Well, let's try them and see.
Posted on 1/26/17 at 11:14 am to WildTchoupitoulas
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Why have conservatives suddenly abandoned economics? It's fricking bizarre.
Sovereign borders is a conservative principle too.
Get rid of social services to illegal aliens (and keep them from voting Democrat) then sovereign borders wouldn't be such an issue. But we know that will never happen. Thus we much control our border in terms of who can and can't enter.
The entire wall concept is to control the flow. To help border patrol document workers. When they are documented they pay taxes and contribute to supporting welfare services that they overwhelmingly use.
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