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Posted on 9/4/14 at 7:10 am to Bestbank Tiger
Posted on 9/4/14 at 7:10 am to Bestbank Tiger
Why not
Can you wake up one morning and be attracted to Asian women? Things change, preferences change. I'm not saying it's common nor do I think it's as prevalent as genetic disposition. But people who do think it's not genetic programming don't have a less validated opinion
Can you wake up one morning and be attracted to Asian women? Things change, preferences change. I'm not saying it's common nor do I think it's as prevalent as genetic disposition. But people who do think it's not genetic programming don't have a less validated opinion
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Posted on 9/4/14 at 7:10 am to the808bass
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Reducing the question to "choice" creates a false choice of "choice" or "not choice." It's obviously not that simple.
exactly.
one scenario that I have heard could lead to same sex attractions.
distant father, not really active in a son's life early on. He grows more attached to his mother than his father. He goes to school and only hangs out with the girls. When he begins to reach the age where the sexual feelings begin to arise in him, he feels like one of the girls and not one of the boys. Because of that he feels sexually attracted to men more than women.
one more thing: there is still a large burden of proof on those who say that being gay is a choice. What knida of choice is it, do we really choose who we are sexually attracted to? Think about it, you see a women and you are aroused by her, did you choose to arouse yourself, or are you in a sense hardwired (not genetically) to be attracted to that one person.
Posted on 9/4/14 at 7:12 am to DelU249
a fetus has two harmones. testosterone and estrogen. one takes over the other and the sex of the child is determined inside of the womb. however, sometimes the job is not complete and kids are born with an elevated level of one or the other when in fact it should have been almost completely dissolved. this is why hermaphrodites are born
so, when you are a female and have an elevated level of testosterone still in your system, you turn into Brittney griner.
that being said, I do believe that some make a choice to be gay due to their unfortunate life
so, when you are a female and have an elevated level of testosterone still in your system, you turn into Brittney griner.
that being said, I do believe that some make a choice to be gay due to their unfortunate life
Posted on 9/4/14 at 7:13 am to DelU249
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Agree but the popular phrase "I was born this way" comes to mind. I believe you are, but there is simply no definitive answer.
I don't think you are but the first 5 years of your life are very formative. There are certain scenarios that can happen early in your life that in a sense hardwire you to feel sexually attracted to the opposite sex.
But again just think of your own personal experience. When you feel sexually attracted to someone, did you choose to feel that way?
edit: the choice when it comes to sexual attraction has to do with how you act on them. There isn't much choice with who you feel sexually attracted to IMO.
This post was edited on 9/4/14 at 7:14 am
Posted on 9/4/14 at 7:19 am to DelU249
quote:People who make all or nothing statements about the subject do so out of bias or ignorance. For confirmation, one need look no further than high profile cases like the Anne Heche saga. But that is as nonindicative of pan-Kinsey Scale circumstances as the earlier citing here of a cousin who was pretty clearly gay from age 4.
But people who do think it's not genetic programming don't have a less validated opinion
Posted on 9/4/14 at 7:25 am to NC_Tigah
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People who make all or nothing statements about the subject do so out of bias or ignorance
they are trying to explain it that way for political reasons. For the pro gay crowd if being gay isn't a choice than why should they not have the same rights straights do. If it is a choice than the anti-gay crowd can say that you are choosing something that is bad and we can't support that action.
I don't think even on the gay marriage debate it is that simple. No matter if it is a choice, just because you feel sexually attracted to someone doesn't mean you should marry them. Does a married man or women only feel sexually attracted to his wife or husband. Now I'm sure they do, but not only to their spouse.
Also some people feel sexually attracted to children, as horrible as that is. But no-one is coming out and saying let pedophilias marry children.
just because you have a primary sexual attraction to a certain age group, or sex, doesn't mean you should be allowed to marry them. Allowing gays to marry goes beyond sexual attraction, no matter if it is a choice or not.
This post was edited on 9/4/14 at 7:26 am
Posted on 9/4/14 at 7:29 am to catholictigerfan
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just because you aren't born that way doesn't mean you make a choice. Many things in our lives are determined not how we were born but how we grew up.
Thats the point of the article. They are saying their is no "gay" gene.
This post was edited on 9/4/14 at 7:31 am
Posted on 9/4/14 at 7:29 am to NC_Tigah
What all or nothing statement have I made? I have a variety of thoughts, the only thing I can say for certain is there is no proof that you are born gay, even though I believe that generally speaking, you are hard wired from birth. I just wouldn't dismiss any thought as ludicrous because there is no proof either way
Posted on 9/4/14 at 7:31 am to catholictigerfan
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Think about it, you see a women and you are aroused by her, did you choose to arouse yourself, or are you in a sense hardwired (not genetically) to be attracted to that one person.
Our minds are remarkably trainable, though. If I focus on one kind of stimulus, my mind will respond differently to that same stimulus over time. So sexual attractions are to, at least some small degree, subject to training.
Posted on 9/4/14 at 7:31 am to catholictigerfan
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I don't think you are [born this way]
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There isn't much choice with who you feel sexually attracted to IMO.
Posted on 9/4/14 at 7:35 am to DelU249
quote:Uh, no you can't.
I think you can develop a taste for anything though
Posted on 9/4/14 at 7:36 am to La Place Mike
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Uh, no you can't.
Within certain ranges, he is probably more right than wrong.
Posted on 9/4/14 at 7:36 am to STEVED00
quote:Is there an autism gene?
They are saying their is no "gay" gene.
Do genetics change at puberty such that suddenly there is a sexual attraction between girls and boys who a year or two previously wanted nothing whatsoever to do with one another?
Are either then behaviors of "choice"?
Posted on 9/4/14 at 7:38 am to the808bass
quote:100% correct.
So sexual attractions are to, at least some small degree, subject to training.
Posted on 9/4/14 at 7:39 am to NC_Tigah
I don't think I've disagreed too much with anything in this thread, an yet I feel like the whole thread is disagreement
Posted on 9/4/14 at 7:39 am to the808bass
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Uh, no you can't.
quote:There is a joke in there somewhere. Think about it
Within certain ranges, he is probably more right than wrong.
Posted on 9/4/14 at 7:42 am to the808bass
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Our minds are remarkably trainable, though. If I focus on one kind of stimulus, my mind will respond differently to that same stimulus over time. So sexual attractions are to, at least some small degree, subject to training.
ture and I don't disagree but how many of us who have predominately heterosexual attractions will try and train ourselves to have homosexual attractions?
also there are some people who try to cure the gay, but I'm pretty sure it has been found to be pretty widely unsuccessful. Meaning you can't completely train yourself to be heterosexual or homosexual. What ever your predominate sexual attractions are can't be done away with. You can train other sexual feelings into your but you can't remove the predominate IMO.
This post was edited on 9/4/14 at 7:45 am
Posted on 9/4/14 at 8:15 am to NC_Tigah
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quote: They are saying their is no "gay" gene. Is there an autism gene? Do genetics change at puberty such that suddenly there is a sexual attraction between girls and boys who a year or two previously wanted nothing whatsoever to do with one another? Are either then behaviors of "choice"?
Just shows that there are external factors other than your genetic makeup that ultimately determines your sexual identity.
Posted on 9/4/14 at 8:19 am to woodoo
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The burden of proof is on the "born that way" theory. Until then, it's a choice.
Huh?
Posted on 9/4/14 at 8:32 am to Sentrius
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I've seen and heard more than enough of the literally same testimony from homosexuals to believe that this is accurate. Human beings aren't the only animals that engage in homosexuality, dozens upon dozens of other animals engage in it as well. Just because it's not a mainstream norm and it being rare doesn't mean it's not natural.
this is the stupidest, dumbest, most asinine argument on the issue.
i have nothing to contribute to the conversation, but good Lord it's ignorant.
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