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Posted on 7/22/14 at 4:34 pm to Pinecone Repair
Posted on 7/22/14 at 4:34 pm to Pinecone Repair
that is the biggest issue with generational welfare is they (not black people...long term welfare participants) never learn to make choices...the concept of tradeoffs is foreign to them...they can let the necessities go because no one will let them starve, no one is going to shut off their water until the city is in complete decay.
$65 water bill, or $65 call of duty...hmmmm, oh well they don't turn my water off.
$65 water bill, or $65 call of duty...hmmmm, oh well they don't turn my water off.
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Posted on 7/22/14 at 4:35 pm to Alt26
quote:I didn't say sacrifices shouldn't be necessary, I just told OP to put himself in someone else's shoes for a minute.
The AUDACITY of sacrificing something to pay for clean water which also happens to be ONE OF LIFE'S BASIC frickING NECESSITIES.
quote:Water, food, shelter, electricity, gas... which do we do without this month?
If someone has a choice between clean water and anything else, I would hope that decision would be pretty goddamn easy.
quote:Link?
Are you really that naive? The problem is that these people don't WANT to pay their water bill, not that they CAN'T.
quote:Do any of the other things I mentioned before even come close? I mean, food is pretty important, as is shelter. Though, I guess if you don't have shelter you wouldn't have a water bill, so that's one positive of being homeless.
In any event, if at the end of the month all you have is enough money to pay for one expense, then there is nothing that should trump clean drinkable water. It's number one on the list of priorities.
quote:Is this the America you want to live in?
If they don't agree, then they can grab a pail, go down to the giant fricking lake that Detroit sits next to, scoop out a gallon, and head home. Hell, boil it over an open fire if you want. Detroit has plenty of kindling lying around to start one.
Posted on 7/22/14 at 4:39 pm to CptRusty
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Right. That comes from being given free stuff for years, then suddenly being asked to pay for it.
You're right about that. Now they just expect their needs to be met by someone else. These people needed tough love a long time ago.
Posted on 7/22/14 at 4:40 pm to Korkstand
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Got any examples you can link up of people who genuinely have no way to pay their water bill? Since there's a "whole lot" of them and all.
*crickets*
quote:
Are you really that naive? The problem is that these people don't WANT to pay their water bill, not that they CAN'T.
Link?
I imagine fox will be posting the LA times article mentioned earlier. You are turning this discussion into a circle jerk.
quote:
Is this the America you want to live in?
I want to live in an America where if you have the means to provide for yourself, you must do so.
Posted on 7/22/14 at 4:41 pm to DelU249
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$65 call of duty
Not to mention the $400 console they bought to play it on...and the internet connection to play online...and the headset to voice comm with other players....and the 2nd and 3rd controller......
Posted on 7/22/14 at 4:42 pm to Korkstand
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Is this the America you want to live in?
You are fighting the good fight, but you must realize by now you are arguing with some folks who think "you're only poor because you're too lazy to work" and people are "on welfare because they want to be". They'd rather read about abuses of the system than those that really need the help.
Posted on 7/22/14 at 4:43 pm to CptRusty
No I'm going to excercise. I'm just going to tell my gym that good health is a right so frick their invoice
God damn I don't want to run today
God damn I don't want to run today
This post was edited on 7/22/14 at 4:53 pm
Posted on 7/22/14 at 4:50 pm to wfeliciana
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They'd rather read about abuses of the system than those that really need the help
There you go...."lumping people together ". At least you didn't use someone else's analogy to explain your point this time....so that's a plus!
You couldn't be more wrong. I'd like to see welfare fraud and abuse end because I ONLY want help going to those who truly need it.
Posted on 7/22/14 at 4:59 pm to DelU249
quote:So, just shut everybody off until the unwilling finally pay, and the unable.. do what?
by the admission of the sewage and water (board??) in Detroit, the problem isn't an inability to pay, it is an unwillingness to pay...as evidenced by the delinquent invoices paid lickity split once the water was shut off
quote:Those signs, especially the tax Wall Street one, are stupid, I'll give you that.
look at the signs "water is a human right" "Turn on the water, tax wal street" they don't give a shite who pays for it so long as it's not them.
quote:Look, the water shut offs are just the latest in a long history of decline in Detroit. Even when Detroit was booming, it was never a healthy city because of the strict segregation put in place when all the southern blacks moved there for auto plant jobs. It's no secret that when you pile up a bunch of poor people, few make it out. So now, when the gloves are off, the city decides to pull out a shotgun?
you can bitch and moan all you want, but no one is feeling sorry because someone didn't pay a $65 bill...they're not bitching about their electricity being off and I hear it gets really cold in Detroit...they have the money and WILL NOT PAY or they don't have the money because THEY WOULD NOT PAY
either way, frick them
Yeah, frick them.
Posted on 7/22/14 at 5:08 pm to Korkstand
quote:The last reported case of cholera in the state of Michigan was in 2005, per the CDC. In order for someone to acquire cholera, they must drink water contaminated with feces from a person with cholera.
I'd say you're wrong.
I'd say you're an idiot. If you genuinely believe that cutting off the water supply of a few water bill non-payers is going to lead to a cholera epidemic, you truly are beyond help.
Edit: One case in 2005, one in 2011. That's in the entire state of Michigan.
This post was edited on 7/22/14 at 5:19 pm
Posted on 7/22/14 at 5:10 pm to Korkstand
quote:If that's the case, they should have their water cut as well, in the interest of fairness. Like 43% of the delinquents who've have their water supply cut, I bet those venues would quickly settle up.
Like Ford Field, which owes $55k? Or Joe Louis Arena, which owes $80k?
Posted on 7/22/14 at 5:16 pm to wfeliciana
quote:
"you're only poor because you're too lazy to work"
How else do you explain the cyclical generational welfare families?
If you can't pay $65 for water, then you fricked up somewhere. Most especially if you are receiving government assistance. You have no housing cost or food cost....where is all of your money going?
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"on welfare because they want to be"
There is opportunity for everyone to succeed and not be poor. That opportunity shrinks and ceases to exist the older you get, and the longer you decide not to take said opportunity. (The climb for some is more difficult, I'll give you that, but the opportunity is there. Not wanting to work hard is not an excuse to be unsuccessful in life).
Take Louisiana for example. Just do average in school and score average on the ACT and you have most if not all of post high school education paid for. If you're in your 30's making minimum wage here (or anywhere for that matter), you've made several severely awful life choices.
The excuses some of you people make for these people who refuse to take responsibility for themselves are laughable. Not to mention, the people defrauding the system are severely hurting those who actually need it.
I don't hate poor people, but I don't feel sorry for someone who doesn't have water yet has perfect hair/nail, an xbox, a big screen tv and rims on their car. That's not needy, that them being fricking retarded and not owning responsibility for their own life.
This post was edited on 7/22/14 at 5:19 pm
Posted on 7/22/14 at 5:30 pm to Patrick_Bateman
quote:Seems highly likely in a house with no running water, don't you think?
In order for someone to acquire cholera, they must drink water contaminated with feces from a person with cholera.
quote:You mean a few thousand.
I'd say you're an idiot. If you genuinely believe that cutting off the water supply of a few water bill non-payers is going to lead to a cholera epidemic, you truly are beyond help.
quote:Great. Now that we've established that people do actually get cholera in the US, I wonder what might happen if you take away the thing that prevents outbreaks?
One case in 2005, one in 2011. That's in the entire state of Michigan.
Posted on 7/22/14 at 5:31 pm to Korkstand
So you think people with no running water are going to drink out of a toilet someone shite in???
Posted on 7/22/14 at 5:33 pm to Pinecone Repair
Hi Pinecone, lovely to hear from you again.
Posted on 7/22/14 at 5:38 pm to Korkstand
quote:Not if no one in the city has the bacteria! It's not just a matter of drinking contaminated water; it's a matter of drinking water contaminated with cholera! Only two people in Michigan have had cholera in the past decade. Detroit makes up less than 10% of the population of Michigan; and the percentage of people whose water was cut off make up, say, 5% of the population of Detroit (I'm being generous) - in other words, it is very, very unlikely that a single person affected by this water shutoff has cholera. If no one has the disease, no one can spread the disease.
Seems highly likely in a house with no running water, don't you think?
What am I wasting my time explaining this?!
This post was edited on 7/22/14 at 5:41 pm
Posted on 7/22/14 at 5:39 pm to Patrick_Bateman
We're discussing cholera in Detroit
Vote democrat!
Vote democrat!
Posted on 7/22/14 at 5:44 pm to Korkstand
quote:
In order for someone to acquire cholera, they must drink water contaminated with feces from a person with cholera.
Seems highly likely in a house with no running water, don't you think?
If water has a poop floating around in it, I ain't drinking that shite
Posted on 7/22/14 at 5:45 pm to fleaux
quote:My god, are you people this dense? Even if you go outside to take your cholera shite, you still get it on your hands, clothes, whatever. No clean water to bathe or wash clothes, it gets all over the food you prepare for others, or somebody gets desperate and takes a sip out of the "hand washing" bucket or whatever-the-frick.
So you think people with no running water are going to drink out of a toilet someone shite in???
Are you people really arguing that clean running water does not prevent cholera? Christ.
Posted on 7/22/14 at 5:47 pm to SpidermanTUba
quote:
SpidermanTUba
You're such a fricking child.
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