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Posted on 6/20/24 at 3:57 pm to TigerChick2018
Posted on 6/20/24 at 3:57 pm to TigerChick2018
Wow, TigerChick2018, that was awesome!
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Posted on 6/20/24 at 4:02 pm to Pitt Road
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Posted on 6/20/24 at 4:03 pm to Pitt Road
Thank you.
Posted on 6/20/24 at 4:12 pm to ansertiger
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I'm not claiming that my morals be codified, because they mostly already are. Most can be easily boiled down to "be good to other people", and extreme violations of that are already criminal activities and illegal.
This is what I meant when I called you a shallow thinker. I don't mean in all areas; you may be a killer investment guru or applied physicist. But the fact that you think the above paragraph contains any substance is just evidence that philosophy isn't your jam. You open a topic attempting to talk down your nose to people, and it turns out you're woefully ignorant on the very topic you attempted to address. You can't even grasp the "is-ought" distinction.
Posted on 6/20/24 at 4:22 pm to ansertiger
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Absolutely, same problem. Stick to teaching the science and traditional subjects. Noone in school under the age of 18 has matured mentally enough to be able to decide to biologically transition, so no need for trans to be in biology textbooks. Climate change is happening and you're in denial if you think it's not so I'm fine going over it no different than teaching about the tides of the Earth, but can we even do anything about it anyway?
Really? Then clearly say it instead of focusing on “religion” (Christianity). I can credibly argue the alphabet activists, climate changers, etc are religions/cults also.
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The problem is the precedent, and pushing a religious belief system on kids who aren't able to truly make that decision for themselves yet (sound familiar?) in a secular setting. Keep state and religion separate for public schools.
If you truly believe what you are saying here then it’s odd you specifically mention an issue with the 10 Commandments, but you fail to mention school employees taking female students to have abortions without parental knowledge (this is a serious medical procedure); School employees providing hormone treatments without parental knowledge; Schools permitting boys in girls bathrooms and protecting boys when they rape girls in said bathroom (true story - see the state of Virginia); School employees teaching children (especially young ones) about adult/child sex, anal sex, homosexual sex, etc.; Schools allowing boys to play in girls sports.
The 10 Commandments are not the same as what I listed above.
If I have to choose my battles, I can promise you, based on the combatants listed above, my battle is not going to be with the 10 Commandments.
Posted on 6/20/24 at 4:23 pm to ansertiger
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He's not policy a extremist which is good
For a "hardened oil man" you sure are sensitive. Trump is "Extreme" because of the mean words he said that hurt your feelings. Youve just admitted his policies arent extreme which means thats the only other option.
We could stop here because youve already refuted your original premise and made yourself sound stupid...but that would not be as much fun as dunking on you further
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but a few of the many things he promised and didn't follow through on...
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- Trump promised to "build a wall and make Mexico pay for it" as one if his biggest campaign promises. Wasted $15 billion or more worth of time and resources on a border wall that only increased the existing walls by 47 miles, still leaving about 1200 miles unwalled.
Trump desperately tried to get the GOP pass wall funding...."Extremist" Paul Ryan and company denied him. He did have some wall built with no help from the GOP.
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- He promised to eliminate the national debt over the course 8 years... It only went up higher each and every during his presidency and had no signs of slowing down towards the end, growing by another 30-35% during his term.
Trump basically had a 2 year Term with the Covid idiocy. He hasnt had 8 years. Trump also opposed the Porkulus bills that was rammed down his throat by the GOP. He by signing it, he was attempting to be diplomatic. Huge mistake, but not extreme. Regardless, if you are gonna count unfulfilled campaign promises as being extreme, you might as well move to a deserted island. Thats the only way youll be able to escape that.
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- promised to repeal and replace Obamacare, which never happened
Again, you can blame the "extreme" GOP and well known far right "extremist" John McCain for this. You act like Trump actually was the one that vetoed the repeal...because you are a hardcore leftist liar, not a moderate
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He did keep his promise lower taxes across the board which is good in theory and helped the average individual a little bit, but it was far more beneficial for the ultra-rich and corporations. Unfortunately the rich like their money so nothing trickles down and the pay gap between CEO and worker has only increased sense.
It helped me and a friend grow a small business. It helped the economy that was red hot and was bringing manufacturing back to the US.
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Mostly, he just speaks about nonsense that will never realistically happen (like deporting all illegal immigrants and allowing the "good ones" reenter), contradicts himself over and over, and tries to create division between the people of our country by saying whatever he can to get his MAGA's all riled up and the Dems pissed off.
Oh my! He says hes gonna do what his voters want?!?!?! Something, he would 100% do if he could unilaterally do it?!?!?! What an extremist! He just limited immigration from certain countries and people like YOU called him a Nazi. Cities literally becoming "sanctuary cities" defying the federal government just to thwart deportations of criminals while he was President.
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The man isn't presidential in the slightest and doesn't know what an olive branch looks like.
If I had a time machine, id bet almost anything that the same useful idiots were saying the same things about Reagan. Im sure you think Bush was "Presidential" and the media relentlessly ripped on him daily. I saw plenty of olive branches attempted by Trump. They were all mistakes. When dealing like liars...like yourself, you dont compromise with them and expect them to fulfill their end of the bargain. Trump learned this the hard way by not going after the Clintons, putting establishment approved people in his cabinet, and going along with that stupid Porkulus bill.
Trump was Presidential. He was garnered respect internationally. He had empathy for the common man or at least conveyed that he did. He wasnt perfect, which apparently is your definition of moderate.
The truth is that you are a liar with no integrity. You can take your pompous claims of being in the middle and shove it up your arse because every knows who you vote for and support. Go gaslight the idiots on reddit, thats more your alley
This post was edited on 6/20/24 at 4:32 pm
Posted on 6/20/24 at 4:26 pm to TigerChick2018
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ansertiger, You claim Trump “didn’t do much of anything” while he was in office. It’s obvious you either did not pay attention to President Trumps time in office or you are just spouting talking points and don’t care about facts (I’m kind leaning toward this one).
My disclaimer. In 2015, I was a strong Ted Cruz supporter. I despised Donald Trump to the point I called into the Sean Hannity talk show and had a “debate” with KellyAnn Conway. I was vicious.
I did not vote for Donald Trump in 2016. I voted against Hillary Clinton.
Donald Trump EARNED my support and it was not an easy task. So what did he accomplish that swayed me? Here is a partial list, off the top of my head.
1. He began bringing home American hostages - without payoffs.
2. He rolled back many unnecessary regulations that cost We the People financially.
3. Unemployment rate lower than 4%. Historical low unemployment for minorities.
4. World peace.
5. Abraham Accord - peace in the Middle East.
6. No new wars.
7. Enacted “Right to Try” enabling terminally ill patients to try experimental treatments.
8. Reduced the cost of Insulin to $35 (which Biden immediately reversed his first day in office, has recently reenacted, and is now trying to take credit for).
9. Forced other countries to pay their required share to the UN.
10. Brought manufacturing jobs back to the US.
11. Removed the US from the catastrophic Paris Climate Accord.
12. Renegotiated trade agreements with Canada and Mexico (NAFTA was a disaster), Japan, and other countries that were advantageous to the US.
13. Expanded to other countries access to American agricultural products.
14. Imposed tariffs on China due to their unfair trade practices.
15. Made us a net Natural Gas Exporter for the first time in our history
16. Pushed to have Obamacare reversed - it was traitor to our nation, Senator John McCain, who was the deciding vote to NOT overturn Obamacare… I will never forget McCain acting in his Cesaresque manner with hits thumb out and then dramatically pointing it to the floor.
17. Gutted the teeth of Obamacare by eliminating the individual mandate policy.
18. Defunded a UN agency for colluding with China's program of forced abortion and sterilization.
19. Deployed military to help protect the southern border.
20. Had the lowest level of illegal immigration (enemy combatant invaders) in decades.
21. Dramatically increased deportations, making criminals a priority.
22. Met with Kim Jung Un, which resulted in North Korea halting nuclear tests.
23. Moved the US Embassy to Israel.
24. Refused to acknowledge the International Criminal Court, protecting US citizens and maintaining US sovereignty.
25. Donated his entire salary during his entire presidency.
26. Implemented a 5 year ban on lobbying for White House employees and a lifetime an on lobbying for foreign entities.
President Trump accomplished these things while at the same time battling the tyrannical and corrupt uniparty, deep state actors, and media members trying to destroy him, destroy this nation, maintain their power, control, and financial “perks”. Imagine how much more greatness could have been accomplished without the BS.
Need more? I can look it up because there is so much more greatness that he accomplished.
Did I agree with everything Trump did? No. Did I agree with every policy? No. However, I am not a one issue voter.
In spite of all democrat and deep state actions against Trump while in office, President Donald Trump was a GREAT President and he will be again when he is reelected in November.
Posted on 6/20/24 at 5:11 pm to ansertiger
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I don't have a beef with [most] Christians, I'm married to one. I do have a beef with those Christians in society and government who feel it necessary to impose their beliefs on others through laws or other means.
Now, do Islam and Sharia Law, and Dearborn, Michigan.
I will wait.
Posted on 6/20/24 at 5:23 pm to ansertiger
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You're not listening to me. Both are wrong.
No, you're not listening to yourself. You are choosing to vote for the one that is ACTUALLY HAPPENING over the bogus "possibility" of the other that you've created in your mind. Seriously man. Take two seconds and think about what you're saying. Unless you're just trolling or a paid shill, both of which seem entirely likely.
Posted on 6/20/24 at 5:32 pm to ansertiger
Ansertiger, let’s make this easier for you.
Please list for us all the specific policies enacted during Biden’s time as acting President that YOU believe has improved life for Americans, has served to strengthen our nation on the world stage, and whether or not you believe the world to be “stable” during Biden’s time in the White House - or to put it simply, will cause you to vote for Biden again…. Do so without comparing him to Trump or anyone else … Side note: “He’s not Trump” is not an acceptable answer.
Please list for us all the specific policies enacted during Biden’s time as acting President that YOU believe has improved life for Americans, has served to strengthen our nation on the world stage, and whether or not you believe the world to be “stable” during Biden’s time in the White House - or to put it simply, will cause you to vote for Biden again…. Do so without comparing him to Trump or anyone else … Side note: “He’s not Trump” is not an acceptable answer.
Posted on 6/20/24 at 7:13 pm to TigerChick2018
Waiting on you, ansertiger.
Posted on 6/20/24 at 7:44 pm to TigerChick2018
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Waiting on you, ansertiger.
Hes a leftist. They do this shite all the time. They are usually from reddit etc and assume conservatives are stupid and uninformed. To them the MAGA cult fanboy thing is 100% of his voters. They come to conservative message boards with this whole concern troll routine, are completely ill prepared when people swat down their gaslighting with facts and then run away. His middle man BS was just that...BS.
Posted on 6/20/24 at 7:51 pm to ansertiger
And the OP is voting for Biden for sure, Extreme? Can the OP perhaps define extreme?
Posted on 6/20/24 at 7:58 pm to scottydoesntknow
I have a life to live which is why I don't have thousands of posts on a message board. We have plans this evening, so I'll respond back when I have time.
Posted on 6/20/24 at 8:09 pm to ansertiger
I am sure you are stressed more than other posters om this site. I am sure other slackers that post regularly on this board, that are likely finding it hard to exist will chime in when they have time. Godspeed.
Posted on 6/21/24 at 8:04 am to TigerChick2018
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Now, do Islam and Sharia Law, and Dearborn, Michigan.
I mean yeah, of course? They don't belong in schools either, and I'd go further than schools. Unlike Christianity, I actually have a real problem with the basic tenants of their religion and what it was founded on. It's a violent, oppressive, misogynistic religion.
What's happening in Dearborn is concerning, but I live in Louisiana and interact with exactly 0 muslims on a daily basis, so why would I mention it? I'm not going to write paragraphs of every type of person around the world who is problematic.
Just to be clear... We're in agreement here.
Posted on 6/21/24 at 9:04 am to ansertiger
I disagree. Generally speaking, the right isn't extreme. Like or dislike Trump's personality, his views and policies are not extreme.
Considering the left's obsession with killing innocent babies and allowing underage children to decide whether or not they should cut off body parts, it's quite easy for me to pick a side. Just sayin.
Considering the left's obsession with killing innocent babies and allowing underage children to decide whether or not they should cut off body parts, it's quite easy for me to pick a side. Just sayin.
Posted on 6/21/24 at 9:06 am to ansertiger
frick off
Posted on 6/21/24 at 9:55 am to TigerChick2018
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. No names? No examples? Where are your descriptors of those who continue to defend and vote for them? I guess you only save those for the “narcisistic [sic] Trump cultists”.
Mayors like LaToya Cantrell, former Chicago mayor Lori Lightfoot (and the current one too), Tiffany Henyard, etc.. You knew who I was speaking of. I called them wholly corrupt, unqualified, racist, criminal sympathizers. We very likely agree here.
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Does President Trump embellish? Absolutely. Again, name one that does not and has not.
This matters. Your words should mean something. Everyone embellishes to some extent, but Trump takes it to a whole new level nearly every time he speaks, which is often because he can't get enough of himself. He's constantly contradicting himself because he speaks without thinking, so much so that you can't trust much of anything he says. Your word should matter.
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My disclaimer. In 2015, I was a strong Ted Cruz supporter. I despised Donald Trump to the point I called into the Sean Hannity talk show and had a “debate” with KellyAnn Conway. I was vicious.
Tell me your entire personality doesn't revolve around your political beliefs without telling me that your entire personality doesn't revolve around your political beliefs.
My aunt is like this, always listening to right wing political media, often calling in, and very active on twitter. She doesn't associate with anyone who doesn't exactly align with her politically and is very vocal of her stances, and consequently doesn't have many friends and family left even though most of my family is largely conservative and have always voted Republican. I hope you still have yours.
(And just to be perfectly clear before you start spouting about the left, there are plenty versions of my aunt on the left side who are on the political reddit subs and watch MSNBC and NPR all day who have ostracized themselves from their family and most of society because they are abrasive insufferable human beings. I've met them.)
Posted on 6/21/24 at 10:02 am to TigerChick2018
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ansertiger, You claim Trump “didn’t do much of anything” while he was in office. It’s obvious you either did not pay attention to President Trumps time in office or you are just spouting talking points and don’t care about facts (I’m kind leaning toward this one).
My disclaimer. In 2015, I was a strong Ted Cruz supporter. I despised Donald Trump to the point I called into the Sean Hannity talk show and had a “debate” with KellyAnn Conway. I was vicious.
I did not vote for Donald Trump in 2016. I voted against Hillary Clinton.
Donald Trump EARNED my support and it was not an easy task. So what did he accomplish that swayed me? Here is a partial list, off the top of my head.
1. He began bringing home American hostages - without payoffs.
2. He rolled back many unnecessary regulations that cost We the People financially.
3. Unemployment rate lower than 4%. Historical low unemployment for minorities.
4. World peace.
5. Abraham Accord - peace in the Middle East.
6. No new wars.
7. Enacted “Right to Try” enabling terminally ill patients to try experimental treatments.
...
This was a good post and it's obvious a lot of effort was put into it.
If I am to assume that all of it is objectively true and free from biases and that he himself was the primary reason that these things got done, then sure, he had accomplishments in office, some of which I certainly wasn't aware of.
But my point is, very little changed for the better on a day-to-day basis for your average 9-5 American under BOTH Trump and Biden. You can offer whatever excuses you want for each, but for BOTH terms, the middle class shrunk further, violent crime in cities remained out of control, health insurance costs continued to be impressively expensive, both median insurance and housing prices skyrocketed in large part due to foreign investors, purchasing power continued to decrease etc. etc. We still have the same issues plaguing families that affect them in their everyday lives that we did in 2016 and 2020, of course with the exception to the COVID pandemic a few years back. That is what I mean by neither did much of anything.
What I do know is that the left and the right in this country are further apart than they ever have been before, and that's genuinely depressing and worrying. I've never seen the two sides hate each other more... so much so that some people in this comment section can't even recognize what we agree on, and refuse to even entertain the idea that I'm not some a far left trans-loving redditor who came over to sow seeds of dissent or whatever conspiracies you want to come up with.
I am not your enemy, I can promise you that. We generally want the same things, some of which the left doesn't even believe in.
- a healthy middle class
- stable family life with a traditional nuclear family structure
- peace both domestically and internationally
- the ability for someone to actually pull themselves up by their bootstraps and get rewarded for it
- less violent crime
- productive learning environments for our kids free from distractions
...the list goes on.
But we're not going to get there if we keep moving further apart with the left virtue signaling their way to getting offended by every interaction while allowing everyone and their mother into this country, and the right continuing to forget their olive branch by using tactless rhetoric only pushing the left and everyone else further away.
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So with that, I've spent far too much time here and doubled my post count in this thread alone so I'm going to go back to reading my Tiger Rant, Golf board, and OT Lounge, and continue living my happy, productive, generally politics-free life as I was before. I need to get back to work.
I hope you all find peace and happiness, sincerely.
This post was edited on 6/21/24 at 10:14 am
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