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Posted on 6/20/24 at 3:05 pm to Flats
Posted on 6/20/24 at 3:05 pm to Flats
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I'm still waiting on an explanation for why your morality is ok to codify but if someone who believes differently than you wants the same that makes them fundamental nutjobs.
I'm not claiming that my morals be codified, because they mostly already are. Most can be easily boiled down to "be good to other people", and extreme violations of that are already criminal activities and illegal.
It's the religious that seem intent on bestowing their beliefs and rituals on others.
This post was edited on 6/20/24 at 3:08 pm
Posted on 6/20/24 at 3:12 pm to ansertiger
By “ religious “ you mean the Marxist Fundamentalists that control virtually every Institution in America? Or do you mean some powerless guys in the middle of the country who gather on Sunday to discuss ethical living and spiritual renewal?
Posted on 6/20/24 at 3:16 pm to ansertiger
You posted a link to Louisiana requiring the 10 Commandments being displayed in classrooms.
Do you have the same problem with any other displays that are not of educational or indoctrinatal value - such as anything related to the LGB alphabet stuff, BLM, climate change, etc , or is it only limited to religious items?
Aside from the whole “you shall have no other God before me” and the old “no worshipping of idols” what problems are there with the 10 commandments.
Why is there a problem with “No other God before me”? It’s not relegated to Christianity. It’s a generic statement…. OR do you just have a problem with others believing, and teaching, there is a power higher (something greater) than man and government?
Do you have the same problem with any other displays that are not of educational or indoctrinatal value - such as anything related to the LGB alphabet stuff, BLM, climate change, etc , or is it only limited to religious items?
Aside from the whole “you shall have no other God before me” and the old “no worshipping of idols” what problems are there with the 10 commandments.
Why is there a problem with “No other God before me”? It’s not relegated to Christianity. It’s a generic statement…. OR do you just have a problem with others believing, and teaching, there is a power higher (something greater) than man and government?
Posted on 6/20/24 at 3:18 pm to TigerChick2018
You are killing it today. Well done. I gotta go, so hold down the fort.
Posted on 6/20/24 at 3:20 pm to ansertiger
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I certainly wouldn't rule it out, just like I wouldn't rule out similar high level government employees changing Biden's diaper each and every morning.
Why didn't they stop the attack on Israel? Why didn't they stop the Ukraine invasion? Why don't they stop the endless financing of the Ukraine war machine which continues to decrease stability in the world?
You're just making wild arse guesses at things that MIGHT have happened or might happen while completely disregarding things that ACTUALLY OCCURRED or did not occur under the two presidencies.
The world was clearly, obviously, and observably more stable and safer under Trump, and the cost of living was damn near half, but we're to assume that that was all due to nameless bureaucrats taking care of things behind the scenes who then, inexplicably, STOPPED taking care of things under Biden. And, ok, following that goofy arse logic, why wouldn't another Trump presidency lead to these bureaucrats taking charge and making things better again like they did from 2016-20?
Do you even hear yourself?
This post was edited on 6/20/24 at 3:26 pm
Posted on 6/20/24 at 3:21 pm to Lsupimp
Pramila Jayapal laughed on MSNBC today when being asked about the sexual assault of a 13 year old by an illegal immigrant. Said it was fearmongering. Folks like OP have every bad thing coming if they think the "both sides" argument is valid.
Posted on 6/20/24 at 3:25 pm to WaltWhite504
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Democrats including Biden are 100% the vile disgusting human beings that the media makes out Trump's caricature to be.
MAGA! EVERYTHING THEY SAY ABOUT TRUMP IS A LIE. JOE BIDEN IS REALLY THE ONE CAUGHT RAW DOGGING STORMY DANIELS AND SAYING GRAB THE PUSSY. THE BAD TRUMP STUFF IS ALL MADE UP BY LIBERALS. MAGA 2024. DONT FORGET TO DONATE LOTS OF MONEY TO TRUMP.
Like I said, not very bright.
Posted on 6/20/24 at 3:27 pm to TigerChick2018
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Do you have the same problem with any other displays that are not of educational or indoctrinatal value - such as anything related to the LGB alphabet stuff, BLM, climate change, etc , or is it only limited to religious items?
Absolutely, same problem. Stick to teaching the science and traditional subjects. Noone in school under the age of 18 has matured mentally enough to be able to decide to biologically transition, so no need for trans to be in biology textbooks. Climate change is happening and you're in denial if you think it's not so I'm fine going over it no different than teaching about the tides of the Earth, but can we even do anything about it anyway?
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Aside from the whole “you shall have no other God before me” and the old “no worshipping of idols” what problems are there with the 10 commandments.
The problem is the precedent, and pushing a religious belief system on kids who aren't able to truly make that decision for themselves yet (sound familiar?) in a secular setting. Keep state and religion separate for public schools.
Posted on 6/20/24 at 3:28 pm to ansertiger
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It's the religious that seem intent on bestowing their beliefs and rituals on others
Have you ever met a leftist? It's not enough they believe their ideology. It's not enough you believe their ideology. Everyone is forced to publicly display their faith to the cause or risk personal destruction.
Posted on 6/20/24 at 3:29 pm to TigerChick2018
I have a problem with government clearly picking religious winners and losers. It smacks of a clear violation of the establishment clause of the constitution. While I often believe the left goes overboard with trying to overly secularize government spaces to the point that they become openly hostile to Christianity, this is an obvious over-correction.
I do take issue with the overt LGBTQ stuff being pushed on young children. Sexual identity is inherently sexual. Sexual topics should not be discussed until children are old enough to deal with them. Under no circumstances should sex-ed be being taught to pre-pubescent children, and thus neither should LGBTQ identity stuff. I still wouldn’t love there being mandatory LGBTQ content in schools, but I would at least be understanding of it if restricted to high school as a part of sex ed.
It is my belief that AGW is a hoax being perpetrated by government actors in league with certain corporations and academia, but that doesn’t mean that the theories behind it deserve no place in scientific education. I personally believe that controversial topics should be taught, but done so with nuance showing the controversial aspects and why people disagree. Too often, climate catastrophism is taught as irrefutable fact, and framed like anyone who disagrees is just evil and wants us all dead. No topic should be taught that way.
The reality is that indoctrination is bad no matter what side is doing it. Children should be taught some baseline skills and facts necessary to function, but when it comes to political and social issues, they need to be taught controversy, how there can be multiple sides to issues, that people can disagree for reasons other than hating each other, and how to critically think and evaluate information from different sources.
The left prefers indoctrination, fear mongering, and censoring opposing voices. The right also enjoys fear mongering, avoiding opposing opinions, and essentially hiding from anything and anyone that doesn’t fit their exact desired paradigm.
Just as education is broken, discourse is broken, dating is broken, politics is broken, and society is breaking down rapidly as a result.
I do take issue with the overt LGBTQ stuff being pushed on young children. Sexual identity is inherently sexual. Sexual topics should not be discussed until children are old enough to deal with them. Under no circumstances should sex-ed be being taught to pre-pubescent children, and thus neither should LGBTQ identity stuff. I still wouldn’t love there being mandatory LGBTQ content in schools, but I would at least be understanding of it if restricted to high school as a part of sex ed.
It is my belief that AGW is a hoax being perpetrated by government actors in league with certain corporations and academia, but that doesn’t mean that the theories behind it deserve no place in scientific education. I personally believe that controversial topics should be taught, but done so with nuance showing the controversial aspects and why people disagree. Too often, climate catastrophism is taught as irrefutable fact, and framed like anyone who disagrees is just evil and wants us all dead. No topic should be taught that way.
The reality is that indoctrination is bad no matter what side is doing it. Children should be taught some baseline skills and facts necessary to function, but when it comes to political and social issues, they need to be taught controversy, how there can be multiple sides to issues, that people can disagree for reasons other than hating each other, and how to critically think and evaluate information from different sources.
The left prefers indoctrination, fear mongering, and censoring opposing voices. The right also enjoys fear mongering, avoiding opposing opinions, and essentially hiding from anything and anyone that doesn’t fit their exact desired paradigm.
Just as education is broken, discourse is broken, dating is broken, politics is broken, and society is breaking down rapidly as a result.
Posted on 6/20/24 at 3:33 pm to ansertiger
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The problem is the precedent, and pushing a religious belief system on kids who aren't able to truly make that decision for themselves yet (sound familiar?) in a secular setting. Keep state and religion separate for public schools.
So you're much more concerned about the "precedent" of putting the Ten Commandments on the wall than the ACTUAL insanity that is happening with children under the gender and sexual ideology espoused by the Left. Makes perfect sense.
Posted on 6/20/24 at 3:34 pm to Sam Quint
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Why didn't they stop the Ukraine invasion? Why don't they stop the endless financing of the Ukraine war machine which continues to decrease stability in the world?
So you wanted us to somehow stop the Russian invasion into Ukraine, but simultaneously let Russia win the Ukrainian stalemate at the same time?
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Why didn't they stop the attack on Israel?
Tell me what Trump would have done to stop that? It was a guerrilla attack from religious fundamentalists on a music festival along the Israel border.
Posted on 6/20/24 at 3:40 pm to ansertiger
I'm sure it's a complete coincidence that those things both occurred under current weak, feeble, and predictably cowardly American leadership.
Posted on 6/20/24 at 3:42 pm to Sam Quint
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So you're much more concerned about the "precedent" of putting the Ten Commandments on the wall than the ACTUAL insanity that is happening with children under the gender and sexual ideology espoused by the Left. Makes perfect sense.
You're not listening to me. Both are wrong.
Posted on 6/20/24 at 3:43 pm to Sam Quint
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So you're much more concerned about the "precedent" of putting the Ten Commandments on the wall than the ACTUAL insanity that is happening with children under the gender and sexual ideology espoused by the Left. Makes perfect sense.
You act like one MUST choose ONLY one or the other. Both can be bad. If the government can mandate Christian content in schools, why can’t it mandate Muslim customs?
Before I trust government with more authority, I have to imagine what people who are opposed to me politically would do with the same power. If I don’t approve of it, then government shouldn’t have that power, even when that government is controlled by people I largely agree with.
I think Christianity is good. I think it mostly teaches positive values that make for well-adjusted caring people and a thriving society. However, that doesn’t mean that Christianity isn’t also often used to harass, ostracize, and shun people in society without good cause. Christianity can be just as dogmatic, judgmental, and authoritarian as the most “woke” communist ideologues.
Government should not be forcing religion into schools because religions don’t allow people to question them. They’re not allowed to change when new information becomes available. Education is for teaching basic skills and how to think, question, interpret, and innovate. Mandating religious contact undermines those values as well as the religion itself.
Posted on 6/20/24 at 3:48 pm to kingbob
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You act like one MUST choose ONLY one or the other. Both can be bad. If the government can mandate Christian content in schools, why can’t it mandate Muslim customs?
Before I trust government with more authority, I have to imagine what people who are opposed to me politically would do with the same power. If I don’t approve of it, then government shouldn’t have that power, even when that government is controlled by people I largely agree with.
I think Christianity is good. I think it mostly teaches positive values that make for well-adjusted caring people and a thriving society. However, that doesn’t mean that Christianity isn’t also often used to harass, ostracize, and shun people in society without good cause. Christianity can be just as dogmatic, judgmental, and authoritarian as the most “woke” communist ideologues.
Government should not be forcing religion into schools because religions don’t allow people to question them. They’re not allowed to change when new information becomes available. Education is for teaching basic skills and how to think, question, interpret, and innovate. Mandating religious contact undermines those values as well as the religion itself.
Perfect summation.
Thanks for writing what I don't currently have time to do.
Posted on 6/20/24 at 3:51 pm to ansertiger
ansertiger, You claim Trump “didn’t do much of anything” while he was in office. It’s obvious you either did not pay attention to President Trumps time in office or you are just spouting talking points and don’t care about facts (I’m kind leaning toward this one).
My disclaimer. In 2015, I was a strong Ted Cruz supporter. I despised Donald Trump to the point I called into the Sean Hannity talk show and had a “debate” with KellyAnn Conway. I was vicious.
I did not vote for Donald Trump in 2016. I voted against Hillary Clinton.
Donald Trump EARNED my support and it was not an easy task. So what did he accomplish that swayed me? Here is a partial list, off the top of my head.
1. He began bringing home American hostages - without payoffs.
2. He rolled back many unnecessary regulations that cost We the People financially.
3. Unemployment rate lower than 4%. Historical low unemployment for minorities.
4. World peace.
5. Abraham Accord - peace in the Middle East.
6. No new wars.
7. Enacted “Right to Try” enabling terminally ill patients to try experimental treatments.
8. Reduced the cost of Insulin to $35 (which Biden immediately reversed his first day in office, has recently reenacted, and is now trying to take credit for).
9. Forced other countries to pay their required share to the UN.
10. Brought manufacturing jobs back to the US.
11. Removed the US from the catastrophic Paris Climate Accord.
12. Renegotiated trade agreements with Canada and Mexico (NAFTA was a disaster), Japan, and other countries that were advantageous to the US.
13. Expanded to other countries access to American agricultural products.
14. Imposed tariffs on China due to their unfair trade practices.
15. Made us a net Natural Gas Exporter for the first time in our history
16. Pushed to have Obamacare reversed - it was traitor to our nation, Senator John McCain, who was the deciding vote to NOT overturn Obamacare… I will never forget McCain acting in his Cesaresque manner with hits thumb out and then dramatically pointing it to the floor.
17. Gutted the teeth of Obamacare by eliminating the individual mandate policy.
18. Defunded a UN agency for colluding with China's program of forced abortion and sterilization.
19. Deployed military to help protect the southern border.
20. Had the lowest level of illegal immigration (enemy combatant invaders) in decades.
21. Dramatically increased deportations, making criminals a priority.
22. Met with Kim Jung Un, which resulted in North Korea halting nuclear tests.
23. Moved the US Embassy to Israel.
24. Refused to acknowledge the International Criminal Court, protecting US citizens and maintaining US sovereignty.
25. Donated his entire salary during his entire presidency.
26. Implemented a 5 year ban on lobbying for White House employees and a lifetime an on lobbying for foreign entities.
President Trump accomplished these things while at the same time battling the tyrannical and corrupt uniparty, deep state actors, and media members trying to destroy him, destroy this nation, maintain their power, control, and financial “perks”. Imagine how much more greatness could have been accomplished without the BS.
Need more? I can look it up because there is so much more greatness that he accomplished.
Did I agree with everything Trump did? No. Did I agree with every policy? No. However, I am not a one issue voter.
In spite of all democrat and deep state actions against Trump while in office, President Donald Trump was a GREAT President and he will be again when he is reelected in November.
My disclaimer. In 2015, I was a strong Ted Cruz supporter. I despised Donald Trump to the point I called into the Sean Hannity talk show and had a “debate” with KellyAnn Conway. I was vicious.
I did not vote for Donald Trump in 2016. I voted against Hillary Clinton.
Donald Trump EARNED my support and it was not an easy task. So what did he accomplish that swayed me? Here is a partial list, off the top of my head.
1. He began bringing home American hostages - without payoffs.
2. He rolled back many unnecessary regulations that cost We the People financially.
3. Unemployment rate lower than 4%. Historical low unemployment for minorities.
4. World peace.
5. Abraham Accord - peace in the Middle East.
6. No new wars.
7. Enacted “Right to Try” enabling terminally ill patients to try experimental treatments.
8. Reduced the cost of Insulin to $35 (which Biden immediately reversed his first day in office, has recently reenacted, and is now trying to take credit for).
9. Forced other countries to pay their required share to the UN.
10. Brought manufacturing jobs back to the US.
11. Removed the US from the catastrophic Paris Climate Accord.
12. Renegotiated trade agreements with Canada and Mexico (NAFTA was a disaster), Japan, and other countries that were advantageous to the US.
13. Expanded to other countries access to American agricultural products.
14. Imposed tariffs on China due to their unfair trade practices.
15. Made us a net Natural Gas Exporter for the first time in our history
16. Pushed to have Obamacare reversed - it was traitor to our nation, Senator John McCain, who was the deciding vote to NOT overturn Obamacare… I will never forget McCain acting in his Cesaresque manner with hits thumb out and then dramatically pointing it to the floor.
17. Gutted the teeth of Obamacare by eliminating the individual mandate policy.
18. Defunded a UN agency for colluding with China's program of forced abortion and sterilization.
19. Deployed military to help protect the southern border.
20. Had the lowest level of illegal immigration (enemy combatant invaders) in decades.
21. Dramatically increased deportations, making criminals a priority.
22. Met with Kim Jung Un, which resulted in North Korea halting nuclear tests.
23. Moved the US Embassy to Israel.
24. Refused to acknowledge the International Criminal Court, protecting US citizens and maintaining US sovereignty.
25. Donated his entire salary during his entire presidency.
26. Implemented a 5 year ban on lobbying for White House employees and a lifetime an on lobbying for foreign entities.
President Trump accomplished these things while at the same time battling the tyrannical and corrupt uniparty, deep state actors, and media members trying to destroy him, destroy this nation, maintain their power, control, and financial “perks”. Imagine how much more greatness could have been accomplished without the BS.
Need more? I can look it up because there is so much more greatness that he accomplished.
Did I agree with everything Trump did? No. Did I agree with every policy? No. However, I am not a one issue voter.
In spite of all democrat and deep state actions against Trump while in office, President Donald Trump was a GREAT President and he will be again when he is reelected in November.
This post was edited on 6/20/24 at 4:01 pm
Posted on 6/20/24 at 3:53 pm to kingbob
I can’t find a sentence in your post I disagree with.

Posted on 6/20/24 at 3:57 pm to TigerChick2018
Triple post.
This post was edited on 6/20/24 at 3:58 pm
Posted on 6/20/24 at 3:57 pm to TigerChick2018
Triple post, why can't they fix this stupid shite?
This post was edited on 6/20/24 at 3:59 pm
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