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Posted on 8/18/21 at 1:44 pm to pankReb
Feelings aren’t hurt but nice try. Did Trump empower the Taliban…answer that question? Did he get on national TV and advised that the Taliban would be helping in the fight on terrorism? Did he withdraw troops down to 2500 with 80k people that would still need to be evacuated? You can’t fumble the snap then hand the ball off and blame solely the running back for losing yards! This is on all of them!
This post was edited on 8/18/21 at 1:45 pm
Posted on 8/18/21 at 1:44 pm to i am dan
Stupid post!
Posted on 8/18/21 at 1:45 pm to i am dan
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Polling shows public siding with Biden on Afghanistan (for now)
Even democrats that I know can't even find anything good to say about it, and they're really trying.
Posted on 8/18/21 at 1:48 pm to LSUSkip
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Even democrats that I know can't even find anything good to say about it, and they're really trying.
Neither can Republicans when they review the actions of the last two Republican presidents that had input on this war. Both sides messed up. It’s ok to admit that. It makes you an honest person.
Posted on 8/18/21 at 1:49 pm to Tigertoof
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Did Trump empower the Taliban
No clue. Did he? and how...exactly did he? Show your work.
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Did he withdraw troops down to 2500 with 80k people that would still need to be evacuated?
So what you're saying is he had a plan that wasn't followed by his predecessor?
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You can’t fumble the snap then hand the ball of and blame solely the running back for losing yards!
He had 8 months to learn how to receive a handoff. He spent all of his time on the bench eating ice cream then ran the other direction when he got the ball.
Biden fricked up. Be sure to stretch before having to carry water for him all day. It can be exhausting and cause back issues after awhile.
Posted on 8/18/21 at 1:49 pm to i am dan
Most people think it was time to find a way out.
Don’t think that it should have turned into a debacle.
Don’t think that it should have turned into a debacle.
Posted on 8/18/21 at 1:52 pm to Tigertoof
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Neither can Republicans when they review the actions of the last two Republican presidents that had input on this war. Both sides messed up. It’s ok to admit that. It makes you an honest person.
Which Republican President abandoned American citizens and assets last weekend leading to Afghans getting crushed trying to escape on a C-17?
I'll give you a hint. Only one person can be President at a time. And that President had the last 8 months to figure his shite out.
Posted on 8/18/21 at 1:54 pm to sugar71
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Unfortunately Trump was too big a coward to do it in his first term & pushed it on to the next President just as Bush & Obama had done before him. After watching the " men" of Afghanistan performance after 20 years of training & being showered with weapons.......
There's no way Trump expected to lose, so your premise of getting it pushed "on to the next President" is entirely wrong.
Outside of partisanship & onto the situation at hand. This administration knows they've messed up & knows they're in trouble.
I'm going to tell you what it means to be "too big a coward." Joe Biden isn't out front. He isn't leading. He isn't there. Nor is his VP. Where is she? Everyone in this administration is "too big a coward" to stand out front of this & take the hard questions because they don't have pre-scripted answers.
Posted on 8/18/21 at 1:57 pm to Kraut Dawg
"Trump is a coward"
meanwhile....The fricking Taliban has answered more questions from Western Media than Biden.
But hey.....I'm sure the 1-on-1 Bidens having tomorrow with the former Coms Director of a Democrat President that currently hosts what can best be described as a "variety show" is gonna be a damned fine example credible journalism.
meanwhile....The fricking Taliban has answered more questions from Western Media than Biden.
But hey.....I'm sure the 1-on-1 Bidens having tomorrow with the former Coms Director of a Democrat President that currently hosts what can best be described as a "variety show" is gonna be a damned fine example credible journalism.
Posted on 8/18/21 at 1:58 pm to pankReb
So how do you take a position on the matter if you have zero clue as to the roles of Bidens predecessors??? That there is lack of critical thinking . Go back to Trumps press (Feb 2020) when he told the world that the Taliban was going to help us fight terrorism. Go back to him brokering a deal directly with the Taliban instead of the Afghan government. You don’t make those moves if you truly think the Afghan government is going to be successful. That deal crumbled! Taliban held 50% of the country when trump left office but only 5% when he started. You don’t announce your drawing down of troops and the date in which you will do so when you’re losing ground but he did. Im not here to argue but people need to stop acting like 20 years and an in place agreement that wasn’t honored by the Taliban rests on the shoulders of one man. Yes, Joe should have done many things differently but so should the other three period!
Posted on 8/18/21 at 2:02 pm to Kraut Dawg
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There's no way Trump expected to lose, so your premise of getting it pushed "on to the next President" is entirely wrong.
Absolutely wrong imho. Under Trump, Taliban occupied 5% of the country when he came into office. When he left it was 50%. He brokered a deal directly with the Taliban. If you think the Taliban is going to lose then why negotiate with them instead of the Afghan officials. Why pull draw troops down to 2500 if you know you have to evacuate 80k people??? Your assumption that he didn’t think he would lose may very well be false.
Posted on 8/18/21 at 2:02 pm to Tigertoof
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Neither can Republicans when they review the actions of the last two Republican presidents that had input on this war. Both sides messed up. It’s ok to admit that. It makes you an honest person.
Being honest, this thing was screwed up from the very beginning, but that doesn't downplay what is happening now.
Posted on 8/18/21 at 2:03 pm to Tigertoof
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brokering a deal
Irrelevant. Biden shredded that deal.
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That deal crumbled!
See previous
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agreement that wasn’t honored by
Biden. Friendly reminder that he also went against his top officials and intelligence.
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agreement that wasn’t honored by the Taliban rests on the shoulders of one man. Yes, Joe
Happy that you finally understand.
8 months. Biden signed a 100 EO's to undo everything possible that Trump did while President....but somehow this one just couldn't be touched.
There's another bucket of water in the corner. Don't forget it on the way out.
Posted on 8/18/21 at 2:04 pm to Tigertoof
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Im not here to argue but people need to stop acting like 20 years and an in place agreement that wasn’t honored by the Taliban rests on the shoulders of one man.
I think most people are taken aback & angry at the lack of leadership that this administration is demonstrating. This isn't as much about the struggle as it is the response (or lack thereof).
Posted on 8/18/21 at 2:05 pm to cadillacattack
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polls are bought and paid for ..... you can get them to say anything you want for the right budget....
This is a lie. They’re political propaganda and rarely real.
Posted on 8/18/21 at 2:07 pm to Tigertoof
You really don't know what you're talking about. You're reaching, and despite saying you "don't want to argue," are in fact trying to argue.
You say I am "absolutely wrong" at the start and end with I "may well be" wrong. You don't know what you're talking about. Go sit down over there with the children.
You say I am "absolutely wrong" at the start and end with I "may well be" wrong. You don't know what you're talking about. Go sit down over there with the children.
Posted on 8/18/21 at 2:08 pm to pankReb
You’re asking me which President messed up in the last 8 months and I’m saying they all messed up the last 20 years. You can blame Biden alone but the reality is Bush got us in this mess. Obama didn’t pull us out before it was too late. Trump brokered a deal with a terrorist organization and notified the world that he did it and then took our troop count down to 2500 knowing that there was potentially 80k people that would need to be evacuated. Biden got in and took the word of the Afghan leaders that they could do their job and he was dead wrong! My point is be unbiased! They all laid eggs man over the last 20 years. You can’t blame the last fox out of the hen house alone!
Posted on 8/18/21 at 2:08 pm to Kraut Dawg
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I think most people are taken aback & angry at the lack of leadership that this administration is demonstrating. This isn't as much about the struggle as it is the response (or lack thereof).
The "deflect blame at all costs" crew keeps ignoring the fact that NO ONE is saying they disagree with being there or that the situation was perfect.
This issue is HOW we left. The fact that Biden said on separate occasions that the Taliban would NOT take over the country. That you WOULDN'T see helicopters landing on the roof of the Embassy. That there WOULDN'T be mass evacuations. That the Taliban WASN'T taking over at a much faster time than expected even though his own intelligence said otherwise.
He DID say that they planned for EVERY scenario.....which says they planned for all of this...and still managed to frick it up on a historical level.
Posted on 8/18/21 at 2:12 pm to Kraut Dawg
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You really don't know what you're talking about. You're reaching, and despite saying you "don't want to argue," are in fact trying to argue.
You say I am "absolutely wrong" at the start and end with I "may well be" wrong. You don't know what you're talking about. Go sit down over there with the children.
This is what happens when you invest so much mental energy into Orange Man Bad and Child Sniffer Good.
Remember when Biden said there's nothing to worry about and that the AFA had 300k more than capable soldiers? I remember that.
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