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re: Tom Ricks: A letter from a major fired by the Army
Posted on 8/9/14 at 7:38 pm to AFtigerFan
Posted on 8/9/14 at 7:38 pm to AFtigerFan
From my understanding, the Air Force incentivized separations especially for those with less then fifteen, sort of the way the Army did it during the 90s Reduction in Force. For what I believe are two reasons, the Army decided to take this route. The Army bought into a myth that the best in the Army left with the incentives in the 90s despite many studies that showed the opposite. Also I think the Chief wanted full control of the process, the Army would say who would stay and go, not giving officers any agency in the process.
This really proves two stereotypes about the Air Force vs the Army. One they are a smarter service in terms of leadership and two they actually do care about their people and understand what that means for the future. Right now Army officers will be hit again next year, I'm sure you can imagine the human dynamics in place because of these initial boards.
This really proves two stereotypes about the Air Force vs the Army. One they are a smarter service in terms of leadership and two they actually do care about their people and understand what that means for the future. Right now Army officers will be hit again next year, I'm sure you can imagine the human dynamics in place because of these initial boards.
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Posted on 8/9/14 at 7:54 pm to OleWar
My AFSC year group was on the chopping block, but enough of them took the voluntary separation route. So we never did meet the board. My AFSC year group is safe next year. Now that I'll be over the 15 year mark, I fall into the early retirement category if I have to meet a board in the future.
I have no idea if the Army used voluntary programs this time around.
I have no idea if the Army used voluntary programs this time around.
Posted on 8/9/14 at 8:06 pm to AFtigerFan
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but enough of them took the voluntary separation route
No, there were no real voluntary programs around. Did you find that those that took the money sort of knew they would have been hit, or were they studs that saw some sort of economic advantage?
Posted on 8/9/14 at 8:12 pm to OleWar
Some good friends of mine took the voluntary separation route. They would be considered studs and just finished their Masters Degree at the Air Force Institute of Technology. They were able to get out of their 3 - year commitment because of it. They both took really good jobs, and ended up getting over $100K in separation pay. Their wives are extremely happy with the decision. Both officers by the way.
I do know others that volunteered because they felt they would get the axe. These were all enlisted.
I do know others that volunteered because they felt they would get the axe. These were all enlisted.
Posted on 8/9/14 at 8:23 pm to AFtigerFan
Interesting. Again, I think the Air Force was smart in allowing their officers some autonomy to make decisions for themselves.
Posted on 8/9/14 at 8:23 pm to AFtigerFan
Any idea how this will affect the air guard?
Enlisted
Enlisted
Posted on 8/9/14 at 8:38 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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Any idea how this will affect the air guard
At first they were planning on cutting around 6-7K slots from the reserves and ANG combined. However that was changed to reflect a total reduction of ANG and Reserve military billets from FY 2013 to FY 2017 of 1,300 for the ANG and 1,900 for the Reserve.
I don't know if more has changed, and I don't know the breakdown of officer/enlisted.
ETA: admittedly I got this from a Google search but it's on par with what I remember.
This post was edited on 8/9/14 at 8:41 pm
Posted on 8/9/14 at 8:46 pm to AFtigerFan
Would career field matter? I'm TACP
Posted on 8/9/14 at 8:55 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
I can't speak for ANG, but I'd assume they work it similar to active duty. Active duty AF looked at each career field separately and by year group to determine if their were shortages or overages. If there were overages that year group AFSC met the board.
I can pretty much guarantee TACP is safe across the board. I'll look at the active duty TACP numbers tomorrow and let you know. What year group are you, and what is the AFSC? Even though it's active duty I'll be looking at, it will probably be transferable to the Guard.
I can pretty much guarantee TACP is safe across the board. I'll look at the active duty TACP numbers tomorrow and let you know. What year group are you, and what is the AFSC? Even though it's active duty I'll be looking at, it will probably be transferable to the Guard.
Posted on 8/9/14 at 8:59 pm to AFtigerFan
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What year group are you, and what is the AFSC?
I honestly don't know.
I just switched over from the Marines 2 months ago. I've only been to one drill. I assume I'll be fine but the thread got me thinking and you seem to know what your talking about so I figured I'd ask.
AFSC. Is that like MOS? If so I think it's 1C4.
Thanks in advance for all the answers sir.
Posted on 8/9/14 at 9:04 pm to AFtigerFan
This Major was lucky to have stayed as long as he did.....DUIs are career killers....
These year groups don't know how good they had it, with promotion rates to Major of over 90%....
I've been around the Army for a VERY long time and have been through a lot of ups and downs....force management is an inexact science, compared to cleaning out the OCS Captains in the early 1970's this is playing around the edges...
These year groups don't know how good they had it, with promotion rates to Major of over 90%....
I've been around the Army for a VERY long time and have been through a lot of ups and downs....force management is an inexact science, compared to cleaning out the OCS Captains in the early 1970's this is playing around the edges...
Posted on 8/9/14 at 9:11 pm to vl100butch
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This Major was lucky to have stayed as long as he did.....DUIs are career killers....
Like i said earlier. When this guy was moving up the ranks it was the height of the wars. The military couldn't afford to throw away good combat arms officers at the time. Now, with the wars over, the Army has to decide who they want to be the future colonels and generals. They've obviously decided that they'd prefer risk averse pussies to battle hardened and aggressive soldiers who put their heart and souls into serving this country.
Posted on 8/9/14 at 9:13 pm to Wolfhound45
OP I know you know that an extremely competitive, capable group of people want to stay in when we're shrinking, especially if you're talking about O-4+. Tough choices- tough choices, everywhere. Even if he has an otherwise stellar record, that DUI makes him a relatively easy choice for the cut.
I know it's harsh, but a DUI is pretty easy to avoid.
I know it's harsh, but a DUI is pretty easy to avoid.
Posted on 8/9/14 at 9:23 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
1C4s were never targeted on the active duty side this go around, so it's safe to say the ANG 1C4s are also safe. I don't have my official chart out that breaks it down by year group and actually has targeted end strengths (have to be on a .mil computer), but I do see that TACPs were safe.
ETA: and you're spot on, MOS and AFSC are the same. Wouldn't it be great if all the services spoke the same language?
Thanks for saying I seem to know what I'm talking about. I had to mentor a lot of younger Airmen on the cuts and help them decide what was best for them. Some really good Airmen that I worked hard for ended up getting the boot, but I did help them as much as possible with their transition. As the DO, I had a big hand in rack and stacking the Airmen in the squadron. It was pretty painful, but I do know that we were as unbiased as possible.
ETA: and you're spot on, MOS and AFSC are the same. Wouldn't it be great if all the services spoke the same language?
Thanks for saying I seem to know what I'm talking about. I had to mentor a lot of younger Airmen on the cuts and help them decide what was best for them. Some really good Airmen that I worked hard for ended up getting the boot, but I did help them as much as possible with their transition. As the DO, I had a big hand in rack and stacking the Airmen in the squadron. It was pretty painful, but I do know that we were as unbiased as possible.
This post was edited on 8/9/14 at 9:31 pm
Posted on 8/9/14 at 9:36 pm to 90proofprofessional
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I know it's harsh, but a DUI is pretty easy to avoid.
Yes it is, and his mentor probably should have told him to walk away when he was a CPT/1LT. Tough break.
Posted on 8/9/14 at 9:38 pm to AFtigerFan
quote:Would not want to be in that position. But it's good to know guys like you are out there trying to do the right thing for the young guys.
Thanks for saying I seem to know what I'm talking about. I had to mentor a lot of younger Airmen on the cuts and help them decide what was best for them. Some really good Airmen that I worked hard for ended up getting the boot, but I did help them as much as possible with their transition. As the DO, I had a big hand in rack and stacking the Airmen in the squadron. It was pretty painful, but I do know that we were as unbiased as possible.
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Wouldn't it be great if all the services spoke the same language?
That would make sense. So no.
Posted on 8/10/14 at 6:22 am to GeauxxxTigers23
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Would career field matter? I'm TACP
no chance
Posted on 8/10/14 at 9:01 am to Edearl Watson
ROTLMAO, I was an active duty officer during the bush I post Iraq drawdown and it was the exact same bullshite, this has to do with the worthlessness if the pentagon personnel policy command structure and nothing to do with Obama, the guys I knew who were older from Vietnam said it was the same after that conflict woun down as well. My dad who served post WWII for his 4 and out (one year extension due to Berlin Wall crises) said it was likewise then. The ignorance field by Obama hatred knows no bounds I guess
Posted on 8/10/14 at 9:08 am to 20MuleTeam
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ROTLMAO, I was an active duty officer during the bush I post Iraq drawdown and it was the exact same bullshite, this has to do with the worthlessness if the pentagon personnel policy command structure and nothing to do with Obama, the guys I knew who were older from Vietnam said it was the same after that conflict woun down as well. My dad who served post WWII for his 4 and out (one year extension due to Berlin Wall crises) said it was likewise then. The ignorance field by Obama hatred knows no bounds I guess
Get out of here with your facts and logic
Posted on 8/10/14 at 9:28 am to StraightCashHomey21
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no chance
Knew you'd come in here and set me straight. Why does it take an officer 2 pages to say what an enlisted man can say in two words?
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