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re: Tim Sheehy: "Pakistan appears to have won every engagement so far with Chinese technology"
Posted on 5/13/25 at 10:03 pm to Grumpy Nemesis
Posted on 5/13/25 at 10:03 pm to Grumpy Nemesis
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Um. You do realize that we're not just guessing on this right? We frick with them on the edges all the goddamn time. Just like we do the Russians.
Why would China reveal their best detection capabilities during reaction scramble probe? I know I wouldn’t remove an enemy’s false sense of security.
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Posted on 5/13/25 at 10:04 pm to WestCoastAg
The mighty Migs the former Eastern block countries had were a great learning asset. Have some great pictures of F-16s smoking Mig-29s that the German air force assumed ownership of after the collapse.
This post was edited on 5/13/25 at 10:06 pm
Posted on 5/13/25 at 10:06 pm to The Baker
So we have a false sense of security?
This post was edited on 5/13/25 at 10:06 pm
Posted on 5/13/25 at 10:08 pm to Grumpy Nemesis
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Frankly his entire argument seems to be to deny the vast sensor differential. I honestly don't know what his point is at this point. At first he seemed to think that sheer numbers could overwhelm the fact we see you first but now he has shifted to being skeptical that we can see you first
Yes, I do think sheer numbers matter greatly in combat. There is all of human history as precedent and only conjecture that it doesn’t matter going forward.
This post was edited on 5/13/25 at 10:09 pm
Posted on 5/13/25 at 10:10 pm to The Baker
So they are going to outslug us in a regional conflict with substandard equipment and inferior training is your threat?
This post was edited on 5/13/25 at 10:11 pm
Posted on 5/13/25 at 10:12 pm to Jbird
quote:we seem to have a lot of our eggs in that basket, no?
So we have a false sense of security?
Uber high end weaponry that is expensive to develop and manufacture vs the Chinese strategy of lower end weaponry mass produced at scale.
This post was edited on 5/13/25 at 10:13 pm
Posted on 5/13/25 at 10:16 pm to The Baker
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we seem to have all lot of our eggs in that basket, no?
Uber high end weaponry that is expensive to develop and manufacture vs the Chinese strategy of lower end weaponry mass produced at scale.
No.
We also have things like layered redundancy, to where if we have a critical failure of one leg or aspect of it, we have far better secondary options to try to achieve the same mission.
Throw in training, combat experience, logistics, and having in-theater friends, and yeah, we're definitely on a much sounder footing than you are even approaching giving us credit for being on.
This is not alarm bell territory, or anything even approximating it; this is a little interesting set of data points about technologies, of various generations and scale interacting in a certain context. Nothing more, nothing less.
Posted on 5/13/25 at 10:17 pm to BoardReader
Indeed.
Posted on 5/13/25 at 10:20 pm to Jbird
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So they are going to outslug us in a regional conflict with substandard equipment and inferior training is your threat?
Lets frame it this way.
Starting from the absurd case:
One F-35 vs the entire PLAAF? Who wins?
Eventually you’ll just run out of munitions.
One F-35 vs 1000 JF-17’s okay you snuck up on all of them but downed half of them, now the remaining 500 see you and fire back.
One F-35 vs 100 JF-17s…
At what point do you think numbers dont matter?
This post was edited on 5/13/25 at 10:35 pm
Posted on 5/13/25 at 10:44 pm to ragincajun03
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Hell of an ally they are. Release a bio weapon and lie about it, saying it came from a bat.
We told them to release it. Dims and China are partners. I bet you believe that Nancy Pelosi (or was it the other evil woman??) also had an undetected spy in her staff too!
Posted on 5/13/25 at 10:51 pm to _Hurricane_
Threat but why? A war with China is not ideal. Fix your own house.
Posted on 5/13/25 at 11:02 pm to The Baker
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Why would China reveal their best detection capabilities during reaction scramble probe? I know I wouldn’t remove an enemy’s false sense of security
Dear Lord
Posted on 5/13/25 at 11:03 pm to The Baker
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Yes, I do think sheer numbers matter greatly in combat. There is all of human history as precedent and only conjecture that it doesn’t matter going forward.
Actually all of human history shows that shooting numbers in the face of substantial technology difference is a great way to get a lot of people dead. What history are you looking at! LOL
Posted on 5/13/25 at 11:08 pm to Grumpy Nemesis
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great way to get a lot of people dead.
That’s how commies fight, look at Stalingrad
Posted on 5/13/25 at 11:09 pm to The Baker
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One F-35 vs 100 JF-17s…
At what point do you think numbers dont matter?
You do realize that we still have more combat aircraft than they do total. A lot more. You're counting fighter jets and they do have more of those than we have. But those frickers are up there basically alone compared to our guys.
And it ain't like the only thing that can shoot a Chinese fighter is an American fighter. So before you start getting ridiculous examples like 1,000 to 1 ratio how about they achieve one to one first! LOL
Posted on 5/13/25 at 11:10 pm to The Baker
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That’s how commies fight, look at Stalingrad
And even then they got the absolute shite kicked out of them and absent winter they were still going to get creamed. Let me know when the Chinese are going to be able to take advantage of a blizzard in the sky! LOL
This post was edited on 5/13/25 at 11:11 pm
Posted on 5/13/25 at 11:12 pm to The Baker
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That’s how commies fight, look at Stalingrad
Not to mention supply chain problems that exist when you go that far forward on the ground. Meanwhile even if we were fighting in Chinese airspace our ability to loiter is longer than theirs because of all of our other air assets. Dude you just have no fricking idea what you're talking about I'm sorry
Posted on 5/13/25 at 11:18 pm to Grumpy Nemesis
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Not to mention supply chain problems that exist when you go that far forward on the ground. Meanwhile even if we were fighting in Chinese airspace our ability to loiter is longer than theirs because of all of our other air assets. Dude you just have no fricking idea what you're talking about I'm sorry
Why are yall losing your shite so much?
Just send one fricking army private at the PLA then, and finish them off. I just don’t understand how yall think mass production and shear numbers do not matter one iota in military conflict.
Posted on 5/13/25 at 11:24 pm to Grumpy Nemesis
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And even then they got the absolute shite kicked out of them and absent winter they were still going to get creamed. Let me know when the Chinese are going to be able to take advantage of a blizzard in the sky! LOL
Okay that example was too cold for you?
Tet offensive
Posted on 5/13/25 at 11:57 pm to Rip Torn
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Largely Western technology?? Maybe European technology but India deploys little to no modern American technology
Most of India's arms came from RUSSIA and we have seen how lousy it's tech is in Ukraine.
The big difference seems to be that India is fighting a 1960's war with very few AWAC type aircraft to vector them to where effective but Pakistan has half a dozen or more up in the air.
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