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Posted on 12/6/23 at 8:59 am to Jax-Tiger
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What DeSantis should have done is endorse the MAGA agenda, and not try to discredit Trump as much as he did.
So he stated some policy positions you disagree with? What were they?
Posted on 12/6/23 at 9:01 am to Jax-Tiger
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What DeSantis should have done is endorse the MAGA agenda
But he's running as an actual conservative.
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and not try to discredit Trump as much as he did.
LINK?
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He may have alienated enough Trump voters this time around, that they won't go in his direction next time.
He was never going to appeal to MAGA when an actual MAGA candidate ran counter to him.
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and step in for 2028 with a strong and successful America First agenda.
Again, why do you want him to abandon actual conservative positions?
Posted on 12/6/23 at 9:04 am to SlowFlowPro
I kinda agree that Desantis has an actual record of more conservative accomplishments in FLA.
With that said, I also think it was dumb of him to run in 2024. No one is beating Trump for the nomination.
Neither would win in the general anyway because nothing was done to secure our elections where it mattered. Whoever runs Republican might need 90 million votes to win.
With that said, I also think it was dumb of him to run in 2024. No one is beating Trump for the nomination.
Neither would win in the general anyway because nothing was done to secure our elections where it mattered. Whoever runs Republican might need 90 million votes to win.
Posted on 12/6/23 at 9:08 am to theunknownknight
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With that said, I also think it was dumb of him to run in 2024. No one is beating Trump for the nomination.
Would likely be harder in 2028.
If Trump wins in 2024, no Republican has a shot in 2028.
If Trump loses in 2024, he'll probably run again in 2028 or one of his sycophants will take the MAGA title. RDS will have more time running an actual conservative platform and will have more boxes on his positions. MAGA-type politicians don't have to have actual positions and, even when they do offer something, can just lie after and say you were wrong.
That's why people like RDS will never be able to go full on MAGA. He's accomplished too much real stuff as an executive and legislator.
Posted on 12/6/23 at 9:09 am to SlowFlowPro
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If Trump loses in 2024, he'll probably run again in 2028
I doubt he’ll be healthy enough
Posted on 12/6/23 at 9:09 am to theunknownknight
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I doubt he’ll be healthy enough
he's not healthy enough today.
He can't even debate anymore.
Posted on 12/6/23 at 9:10 am to Flats
This is a huge indictment on GOP voters.
Most prefer to be called pretty than smart.
Most prefer to be called pretty than smart.
This post was edited on 12/6/23 at 9:11 am
Posted on 12/6/23 at 9:11 am to theunknownknight
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I doubt he’ll be healthy enough
You think MAGA cares? They'll just make posts about dragon blood.
Posted on 12/6/23 at 9:11 am to SlowFlowPro
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he's not healthy enough today.
He can't even debate anymore.
Worked for Biden in 2020
Posted on 12/6/23 at 9:12 am to theunknownknight
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Worked for Biden in 2020
2020 was a referendum on Trump.
Trump and MAGA have already failed on their first attempt to create a referendum on Biden (2022 midterms, where the red tsunami became a red trickle).
Posted on 12/6/23 at 9:14 am to SlowFlowPro
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2020 was a referendum on Trump.
Yet he shattered Obama’s record for most votes in history?
Only to be topped by a “revamped” COVID-based election and a guy hidden away for a year
This post was edited on 12/6/23 at 9:15 am
Posted on 12/6/23 at 9:16 am to theunknownknight
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Yet he shattered Obama’s record for most votes in history?
Absolutely. The problem was he shattered two records, one in the "for" category and one in the "against".
Posted on 12/6/23 at 9:16 am to theunknownknight
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Yet he shattered Obama’s record for most votes in history?
And the DEMs shattered Obama's record even more.
Look at California and the totals. Trump's insane turnout still wouldn't have won in 2016, 2012, 2008, or 2004. Yet, the DEM turnout set records.
Biden got over 11M votes in California.
Obama got about 8.3M in 2008
Posted on 12/6/23 at 9:17 am to Flats
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Absolutely. The problem was he shattered two records, one in the "for" category and one in the "against".
With 100%+ voter turnout in all democratic run cities
It’s like magic
Posted on 12/6/23 at 9:18 am to SlowFlowPro
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Biden got over 11M votes in California.
Where anyone can vote as many times as they want. Where illegals can vote all day.
Are you serious about this?
In a legitimate election, Biden received 60 million votes and that’s being generous.
Posted on 12/6/23 at 9:23 am to theunknownknight
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Where anyone can vote as many times as they want. Where illegals can vote all day.
Any specific evidence on either?
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Are you serious about this?
Yes. I imagine you won't be, and won't be able to provide any legitimate evidence to support your claims.
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In a legitimate election, Biden received 60 million votes and that’s being generous.
Based on what, exactly?
You think Biden in 2020 received fewer votes than Romney in 2012?
HRC got 65M in 2016
Posted on 12/6/23 at 9:24 am to theunknownknight
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With 100%+ voter turnout in all democratic run cities
It’s like magic
It's like people hate him and will show up to vote against him, just like other people love him and will show up to vote for him.
If you can't accept that he's polarizing you're just not living in reality. They cheated enough to win, but we're probably talking about well under a million votes. If you want to get crazy unrealistic and ignore the logistical impossibilities give them 5 million; I think that still beats Obama. 76 million people did NOT show up to vote for a demented grifter, but they did show up to vote against Trump.
You can't claim just the positive side of being hyper-polarizing to make some sort of point. It's a package deal.
Posted on 12/6/23 at 9:27 am to theunknownknight
This is where it starts to get foggy though - he knew it was going to happen, so why didn’t he do anything about it? Was he convinced the states were going to do “the right thing”?
Posted on 12/6/23 at 9:28 am to Flats
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They cheated enough to win, but we're probably talking about well under a million votes.
Exactly. If there was voter fraud it was highly targeted and specific to areas needed to swing purple States
The non fraudulent scenario these people believe is that Trump would have won about 75% of all the electors which just is insane when Republicans haven't won the popular vote since 2004 with a popular incumbent in wartime
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