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re: Thoughts on "Christian Right"?
Posted on 10/20/24 at 5:03 pm to the808bass
Posted on 10/20/24 at 5:03 pm to the808bass
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have not ever once heard a pastor tell congregants how to vote. Most people who say this are either 1) godless heathens who’ve never been in a church or 2) have horrible morals that they disagree with a local pastor on.
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Most are just trying to maintain that tax free status and liv e off those sweet parishioner dollars. But there are some that also wanna talk politics. The first time I met tom coburn he was invited to give a political speech at a Southern Baptist church.
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Posted on 10/20/24 at 5:07 pm to oklahogjr
I actually did my academic work in law school on this issue. I defended inadvertent "endorsements" that occurred due to our SMD-based, 2-party system, which creates so many issues along a binary paradigm and went through the IRS regs/advisements to clarify the rules to avoid this specific issue.
But some churches are doing it without the inadvertence and straight up endorse politicians and tell the church to vote that way (or against the other).
But some churches are doing it without the inadvertence and straight up endorse politicians and tell the church to vote that way (or against the other).
Posted on 10/20/24 at 8:50 pm to Ricardo
ok, so, out the gate I need to say that you were civil and I was not, and thats not ok. So Im gonna throttle down a bit
Cosmopolis translates to "world city" (roughly). Its not that Stoicism has some globalist ideas, universal equality and dignity is THE IDEA.
Seneca: "The wise person, therefore, considers themselves not as a citizen of any one place, but of the world; nor as the occupant of this or that land, but as a citizen of the universe."
moral principles apply equally to everyone, regardless of nationality, culture, gender, sexuality, whatever. being American doesnt make someone good, being Hatian doesnt make someone bad, both of you are important.
it is just us down here, we are all we have, if we dont work together none of this works, it will be misery for everyone.
self-control and accepting things as they are (amor fati) are both important, youre not wrong, but framing help as freeloaders wanting handouts is pretty vile. and "Democracy only works when the constituents are people of high caliber" is even worse.
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Teaching people self-control and to accept things as they are and to adapt to the situation is not the same as globalism.
Cosmopolis translates to "world city" (roughly). Its not that Stoicism has some globalist ideas, universal equality and dignity is THE IDEA.
Seneca: "The wise person, therefore, considers themselves not as a citizen of any one place, but of the world; nor as the occupant of this or that land, but as a citizen of the universe."
moral principles apply equally to everyone, regardless of nationality, culture, gender, sexuality, whatever. being American doesnt make someone good, being Hatian doesnt make someone bad, both of you are important.
it is just us down here, we are all we have, if we dont work together none of this works, it will be misery for everyone.
self-control and accepting things as they are (amor fati) are both important, youre not wrong, but framing help as freeloaders wanting handouts is pretty vile. and "Democracy only works when the constituents are people of high caliber" is even worse.
Posted on 10/21/24 at 12:40 pm to Champagne
quote:You are talking about me specifically. Do you deny it?
Did anyone mention you by name in this thread? No.
You are saying knowingly false things about me. That's slander.
quote:You're free to disagree with me, but when you say that if I had my way that we'd be under a theocracy, you are slandering me because I've specifically said that I'm not proposing a theocracy and can have a Constitutional Republic a Christ-centered governance.
The Purity Test Problem is real. That's why Louisiana got John Bel Edwards, Democrat, for Governor.
If you consider criticism and refutation of your positions as slander, maybe Political Talk is not the proper forum for you to preach to us.
Posted on 10/21/24 at 12:43 pm to oklahogjr
quote:I do not support chattel slavery where innocent people are kidnapped from their homes and forced to live and work for others.
Ask him if he supports slavery or not.....what you'll find out is he does support biblical slavery....
Posted on 10/21/24 at 12:45 pm to FooManChoo
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I do not support chattel slavery where innocent people are kidnapped from their homes and forced to live and work for others.
What if the people are misled thinking they're headed to a better life but the people that are inviting them plan to use them as indentured servants?
Posted on 10/21/24 at 12:50 pm to OWLFAN86
quote:You'll have to be more specific. I have no idea what you're talking about.
What if the people are misled thinking they're headed to a better life but the people that are inviting them plan to use them as indentured servants?
Posted on 10/21/24 at 12:52 pm to FooManChoo
The current administration in the White House has been encouraging immigration at a scale unmatched in American history they are placing them in towns where they are being put to work for companies that want cheaper labor than what was available in the market
We're using taxpayer dollars to help house transport feed and educate these people and their children at the risk of American families and native-born citizens and taxpayers
And if you don't want to debate it politically I'll debate it biblically
your choice
We're using taxpayer dollars to help house transport feed and educate these people and their children at the risk of American families and native-born citizens and taxpayers
And if you don't want to debate it politically I'll debate it biblically
your choice
This post was edited on 10/21/24 at 12:53 pm
Posted on 10/21/24 at 12:56 pm to OWLFAN86
quote:Oh, well I don't support illegal immigration. Legal immigration where people get jobs they don't like but can quit at any time, I'm fine with. Working is hard, but as long as people are not forced to work, then that's not slavery.
The current administration in the White House has been encouraging immigration at a scale unmatched in American history they are placing them in towns where they are being put to work for companies that want cheaper labor than what was available in the market
We're using taxpayer dollars to help house transport feed and educate these people and their children at the risk of American families and native-born citizens and taxpayers
Posted on 10/21/24 at 1:02 pm to FooManChoo
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Working is hard, but as long as people are not forced to work, then that's not slavery.
But if you move people from their homeland to another nation with their promise of an easier life and then once they get there they can only access this
quote:if they go to work
easier life
in this specific town with the specific company that they were bought in for
otherwise they must live on the public dime not working and it's another form of slavery.
The lack of responsibility is not freedom
because they have to live in neighborhoods and then conditions that are not desirable
They have been placed in a situation not of their choosing
what's the difference of being a slave or being a pet.
chattel to be used for political purposes,,
And even while they may be preferable to some of the conditions going on in their own land
they have still been mislead, lied to and used
Or do you not think that being on welfare is a form of indentured servitude
This post was edited on 10/21/24 at 1:13 pm
Posted on 10/21/24 at 1:26 pm to OWLFAN86
quote:I'm not really sure what you're actually asking here. I'm not in favor of lying to anyone. That's why America used to be called "the land of opportunity", not "the land of guaranteed prosperity".
But if you move people from their homeland to another nation with their promise of an easier life and then once they get there they can only access this
quote:
easier life
if they go to work
in this specific town with the specific company that they were bought in for
otherwise they must live on the public dime not working and it's another form of slavery.
The lack of responsibility is not freedom
because they have to live in neighborhoods and then conditions that are not desirable
They have been placed in a situation not of their choosing
what's the difference of being a slave or being a pet.
chattel to be used for political purposes,,
And even while they may be preferable to some of the conditions going on in their own land
they have still been mislead, lied to and used
I personally don't see a need to be asking anyone to move here from other countries, but if we do, I don't think anything should be promised except the freedom to pursue a better life, not guaranteeing a better life.
I don't think it's slavery to encourage people to move here and the life isn't what the immigrant expected. There are native-born Americans who have similar outcomes to immigrants, and even worse at times. It's not slavery, as far as I can tell.
quote:I don't think welfare is either slavery or indentured servitude. No one is being forced to take welfare, and if they take it, they are not being forced to stay on it. The ideal situation is that those who need it use it to give them the ability to go to school, learn a trade, and find work that can provide for what they need so that they wouldn't be on welfare any longer.
Or do you not think that being on welfare is a form of indentured servitude
This post was edited on 10/21/24 at 1:28 pm
Posted on 10/21/24 at 3:40 pm to SkiUtah420
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Evangelicals are people who want a little jesus thrown in with a rock concert and a ted talk
The based christians are latin mass catholics and orthodox
You’ve got a good point to make but you don’t see the hypocrisy and irony in your painting all Evangelicals with the same brush and giving a pass to Rome and Constantinople, figuratively speaking.
St. Peter, I recall was an Apostle preaching the Evangel of Jesus Christ.
Romans and Orthodox, (and Anglicans) ought to be evangelical to their core.
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And he said to them, “Go into all the world and proclaim the gospel to the whole creation. Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.
Posted on 10/21/24 at 3:44 pm to SlowFlowPro
The thing is if the “Christian Right” was so powerful, why is their preferred candidate a life long heathen? There were plenty of candidates in the primary running to the right of Trump on social issues, and many of them were at least a lot more devout seeming than Trump has ever pretended to be. So why didn’t all these Christians line up behind them? It’s almost like the only thing “rightwing” about them is that they want to put America First like the rest of MAGA
Posted on 10/21/24 at 3:57 pm to MyNameIsTokyo
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“Kindness is invincible.”
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you’re too dumb to know you’re dumb
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It’s globalism, you fricking dunce.
"One who devotes his attention to words but is tardy in conduct will certainly not be listened to, even though he argues well." - Mo Zi
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