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re: Thoughts on 9/11
Posted on 9/11/18 at 7:37 pm to ZappBrannigan
Posted on 9/11/18 at 7:37 pm to ZappBrannigan
It's interesting that all vitriol & name-calling is coming from anti-truthers. Pretty sure there is an old saying about that. People are actually getting offended because someone else questions the official story.
The people that keep saying it couldn't be kept a secret have forgotten the tens of thousands of people that worked on the Manhattan project without uttering a word. Compartmentalization works wonders.
It is not a stretch to think that foreign agents were used here, either. Most of the people that would be involved in an event like this would also benefit from it. It is not that surprising that no one has talked.
Unless you count Nicholas Rockefeller. The only source is the filmmaker he talked to, but it adds fuel to the fire.
Also, at least 1 person did come forward and told Bill Cooper it was happening, because he said the attack was coming and gave details. Unless you think he somehow had sources inside of cave-dwelling terrorists on the other side of the world, his information came from a US insider. Shouldn't a well-known former intelligence officer saying there was going to be an immenent attack garner at least some kind of inquiry from the government?
Can anyone explain why the news footage was doctored if everything was above board? It was a bright blue day but news footage of the planes crashing shows an almost grey sky.
The BBC announcement about building 7 has already been brought up, but it is routinely ignored by anti-truthers. It's also suspicious that at least 2 media personalities said a missile hit the buildings when it was always considered to be a plane attack. Eye witnesses also said it was a missile, not a plane.
The footage of the planes hitting the building is sketchy too. Wings can be seen disappearing without leaving a mark on the building. A plane's nose can be seen coming out of the other side of the building still maintaining it's shape.
Why was NORAD running a simulation of planes being hijacked at the exact time the attacks occurred? Just coincidence? It would take a full post to list all the coincidences that are written off as irrelevant.
Why did buildings that fell under their own weight show explosions coming off them in a coordinated manner? Just another coincidence?
The designers have said that the buildings could withstand more than one plane crashing into them. A B-52 hit the empire State building, and it was basically shrugged off. Those barely trained pilots with no knowledge of structural engineering were able to perform near impossible moves and crash into the buildings in the exact spot required to cause them to collapse from a single hit.
The owner of the building, who had breakfast every Monday in the tower, just happened to have a doctor's appointment that day. His son and daughter that worked with him both happened to be running late that day too. Coincidences abound.
The explanations for the molten steel are flimsy at best. Most of the people that "debunk" this only show that heat from jet fuel can weaken steel. Sure, you can make something hotter than the source fuel, but you need an influx of oxygen. That seems difficult to achieve under tons of rubble.
There are far too many questions left unanswered and strange coincidences to think the government is telling the truth on this. At a minimum, the government knew it was happening and let it happen.
The people that keep saying it couldn't be kept a secret have forgotten the tens of thousands of people that worked on the Manhattan project without uttering a word. Compartmentalization works wonders.
It is not a stretch to think that foreign agents were used here, either. Most of the people that would be involved in an event like this would also benefit from it. It is not that surprising that no one has talked.
Unless you count Nicholas Rockefeller. The only source is the filmmaker he talked to, but it adds fuel to the fire.
Also, at least 1 person did come forward and told Bill Cooper it was happening, because he said the attack was coming and gave details. Unless you think he somehow had sources inside of cave-dwelling terrorists on the other side of the world, his information came from a US insider. Shouldn't a well-known former intelligence officer saying there was going to be an immenent attack garner at least some kind of inquiry from the government?
Can anyone explain why the news footage was doctored if everything was above board? It was a bright blue day but news footage of the planes crashing shows an almost grey sky.
The BBC announcement about building 7 has already been brought up, but it is routinely ignored by anti-truthers. It's also suspicious that at least 2 media personalities said a missile hit the buildings when it was always considered to be a plane attack. Eye witnesses also said it was a missile, not a plane.
The footage of the planes hitting the building is sketchy too. Wings can be seen disappearing without leaving a mark on the building. A plane's nose can be seen coming out of the other side of the building still maintaining it's shape.
Why was NORAD running a simulation of planes being hijacked at the exact time the attacks occurred? Just coincidence? It would take a full post to list all the coincidences that are written off as irrelevant.
Why did buildings that fell under their own weight show explosions coming off them in a coordinated manner? Just another coincidence?
The designers have said that the buildings could withstand more than one plane crashing into them. A B-52 hit the empire State building, and it was basically shrugged off. Those barely trained pilots with no knowledge of structural engineering were able to perform near impossible moves and crash into the buildings in the exact spot required to cause them to collapse from a single hit.
The owner of the building, who had breakfast every Monday in the tower, just happened to have a doctor's appointment that day. His son and daughter that worked with him both happened to be running late that day too. Coincidences abound.
The explanations for the molten steel are flimsy at best. Most of the people that "debunk" this only show that heat from jet fuel can weaken steel. Sure, you can make something hotter than the source fuel, but you need an influx of oxygen. That seems difficult to achieve under tons of rubble.
There are far too many questions left unanswered and strange coincidences to think the government is telling the truth on this. At a minimum, the government knew it was happening and let it happen.
Posted on 9/11/18 at 8:31 pm to TenWheelsForJesus
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At a minimum, the government knew it was happening and let it happen.
This is the only conspiracy worth entertaining
Posted on 9/11/18 at 8:33 pm to TenWheelsForJesus
Just about all of what you posted has been debunked. You don't care to hear it.
quote:It takes 30 seconds to debunk this lie. Youtube has many videos of the plane going in with a blue sky. You don't even make an effort do you?
Can anyone explain why the news footage was doctored if everything was above board? It was a bright blue day but news footage of the planes crashing shows an almost grey sky.
Posted on 9/11/18 at 9:13 pm to Pdubntrub
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There's no other way for it to fall the way it did.
bullshite
Posted on 9/11/18 at 9:14 pm to GumboPot
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The most plausible theory is they were cut with thermite
It has been estimated that about 60 tons of thermite would be needed to bring down those towers. Not plausible.
Posted on 9/11/18 at 9:31 pm to Choctaw
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It has been estimated that about 60 tons of thermite would be needed to bring down those towers. Not plausible.
Cue the nanothermite retards
Posted on 9/11/18 at 9:59 pm to Choctaw
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bullshite
Go on. Explain building 7 falling at free fall speed. It can't be done. Asymmetrical damage can't create a symmetrical fall.
Posted on 9/11/18 at 10:52 pm to Pdubntrub
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It can't be done.
You can't even do it, so that doesn't mean much
Posted on 9/11/18 at 11:06 pm to Pdubntrub
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So office fires on 30 floors brought down 40,000 tons of structural steel? Eighty columns of steel on each floor giving way simultaneously? Watch the NIST model and watch the building fall. They don't match because it shouldn't have came down at free fall speed.
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Go on. Explain building 7 falling at free fall speed. It can't be done. Asymmetrical damage can't create a symmetrical fall.
How many times are you gonna say this ignorant shite, I’ve already debunked you ONCE in this thread and you just skipped right over it. Free fall speed means nothing when the top 40 floors are one type of construction - and fell as a unit - while the bottom 7 floors are a different type of structure that ultimately failed underneath those 40 floors.
LETS TRY THIS AGAIN, THIS TIME WITH ILLUSTRATIONS JUST FOR YOU
7 World Trade Center was constructed above a two-story Con Edison substation that had been located on the site since 1967. The substation had a caisson foundation designed to carry the weight of a future building of 25 stories containing 600,000 sq ft. The final design for 7 World Trade Center was for a much larger building than originally planned when the substation was built. In all, 7 World Trade Center had 1,868,000 sq ft of office space and 47 floors.
The structural design of 7 World Trade Center therefore included a system of gravity column transfer trusses and girders, located between floors 5 and 7, to transfer loads to the smaller foundation. 5 Existing caissons installed in 1967 were used, along with new ones, to accommodate the building. The 5th floor functioned as a structural diaphragm, providing lateral stability and distribution of loads between the new and old caissons. Above the 7th floor, the building's structure was a typical tube-frame design, with columns in the core and on the perimeter, and lateral loads resisted by perimeter moment frames.
The spray-on fireproofing for structural steel elements was gypsum-based Monokote, which had a two-hour fire rating for steel beams, girders and trusses, and a three-hour rating for columns. Mechanical equipment was installed on floors four through seven, including 12 transformers on the 5th floor. Several emergency generators installed in the building were used by the New York City Office of Emergency Management, Salomon Smith Barney, and other tenants. In order to supply the generators, 24,000 gallons of diesel fuel were stored below ground level. Diesel fuel distribution components were located at ground level, up to the ninth floor.
As the North Tower collapsed on September 11, 2001, heavy debris hit 7 World Trade Center, damaging the south face of the building and starting fires that continued to burn throughout the afternoon. The collapse also caused damage to the southwest corner between Floors 7 and 17 and on the south face between Floor 44 and the roof; other possible structural damage included a large vertical gash near the center of the south face between Floors 24 and 41.
The building was equipped with a sprinkler system, but had many single-point vulnerabilities for failure and the sprinkler system required manual initiation of the electrical fire pumps, rather than being a fully automatic system. Additionally, water pressure was low, with little or no water to feed sprinklers.
After the North Tower collapsed, some firefighters entered 7 World Trade Center to search the building. They attempted to extinguish small pockets of fire, but low water pressure hindered their efforts. Over the course of the day, fires burned out of control on several floors of 7 World Trade Center, the flames visible on the east side of the building. During the afternoon, the fire was also seen on floors 6–10, 13–14, 19–22, and 29–30. In particular, the fires on floors 7 through 9 and 11 through 13 continued to burn out of control during the afternoon.
THIS WAS FAR FROM A LITTLE “OFFICE FIRE”
At approximately 2:00 pm, firefighters noticed a bulge in the southwest corner of 7 World Trade Center between the 10th and 13th floors, a sign that the building was unstable and might collapse. During the afternoon, firefighters also heard creaking sounds coming from the building and the outer facade began noticeably cracking. Around 3:30 pm, FDNY Chief Daniel A. Nigro decided to halt rescue operations, surface removal, and searches along the surface of the debris near 7 World Trade Center and evacuate the area due to concerns for the safety of personnel (“pull it”).
The fires burned out of control during the afternoon, causing floor beams near column 79 to expand and push a key girder off its seat, triggering the floors to fail around column 79 on Floors 8 to 14, however, this could not be seen outside the building.
With a loss of lateral support across nine floors, column 79 buckled – pulling the east penthouse and nearby columns down with it. With the buckling of these critical columns, the collapse then progressed east-to-west across the core, ultimately overloading the perimeter support, which buckled between Floors 7 and 17, causing the remaining portion of the building above to fall downward as a single unit.
WATCH THE PENTHOUSE ON THE LEFT, AND THEN VISUALIZE WHATS HAPPENING INSIDE THE PERIMETER WALLS. COMPARE TO DIAGRAMS OF GIRDER SETUP AND COLLAPSE PROGRESSION ABOVE. TAKE NOTES IF NECESSARY.
(*side note - thats not “free fall” speed either way)
The fires, which were fueled by office contents and burned for 7 hours, along with the lack of water, were the key reasons for the collapse. NIST found no evidence to support conspiracy theories such as the collapse being the result of explosives; it found that a combination of factors including physical damage, fire and the building's unusual construction set off a chain-reaction collapse.
LINK to all the facts on this new website called Wikipedia
This post was edited on 9/11/18 at 11:27 pm
Posted on 9/11/18 at 11:09 pm to RazorBroncs
They are misusing the word caisson although that may be colloquial
ETA : ignore its colloquial and generally accepted.
ETA : ignore its colloquial and generally accepted.
This post was edited on 9/11/18 at 11:11 pm
Posted on 9/11/18 at 11:23 pm to SDVTiger
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Thoughts on 9/11 quote: I only believe what I have been told by our intel agencies regarding Russia. Like from all 17 agencies when the Coast Guard is considered part of that 17
So you either going to believe the United States Coast Guard or people who sale real estate investment seminars on late night television OR pecker pills on a podcast and radio show. There isn’t a third option.
It’s either 17 agencies with thousands of employees whose careers are devoted to attempting to safeguard the greatest experiment man kind has ever been afforded the opportunity to undertake....an experiment that has resulted in furthering advances for all of mankind in a little over 200 years than all of the combined efforts of man since the beginning of time, or Donald Trump, Alex Jones and Roger Stone.
That’s the choice we have. Russia interfered in the election. The Russian Government has murdered people in our allies of 200 years streets. It doesn’t matter in the over all scheme of things if anyone colluded with them. That will come out in the wash at some point. It doesn’t matter that we do it ourselves. What matters is the survival of THIS nation....the greatest that man has ever known.
Donald Trump, the late night real estate huckster, Alex Jones, the pecker pill salesman, or Roger Stone. Just because they will say and do shite the average Trump supporter can’t because the average Trump supporter is afraid of the repercussions we are supposed to accept that we can’t defend our nation....just so a man can brag about “grabbing them by the pussy” and shock decent folks? That’s where we are.
The federal judiciary is out to get you.
The press is out to get you.
The Mexicans are out to get you.
The Muslims are out to get you.
The atheists are out to get you.
The majority of Americans are out to get you.
But as long as you can say “grab em by the pussy” and “sandy hook was a Hollywood production” you are safe from all of the boogeyman you are scared shitless of.
Posted on 9/11/18 at 11:27 pm to TenWheelsForJesus
I'm a firm believer in calling a spade a spade.
This is chicken shite, you're chicken shite for saying it.
And I'm calling you and your larping little grabass, glee club, conspiracy cry wolves out because I had friends die because of this.
The only god damned thing wrong about all this is Clinton just doing some tit for tat pussy footing and calling it a day back when. But even if he had ordered going for the head it would've just been a different attack that got through eventually.
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There are far too many questions left unanswered and strange coincidences to think the government is telling the truth on this. At a minimum, the government knew it was happening and let it happen.
This is chicken shite, you're chicken shite for saying it.
And I'm calling you and your larping little grabass, glee club, conspiracy cry wolves out because I had friends die because of this.
The only god damned thing wrong about all this is Clinton just doing some tit for tat pussy footing and calling it a day back when. But even if he had ordered going for the head it would've just been a different attack that got through eventually.
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