re: This Situation is 100% on Walz & Frey

So I go back to, what are they doing in MN that is unconstitutional in other states?

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ICE cannot just claim that citizens are impeding official operations (as justification for heavy handed and escalatory tactics) if they are simply exercising their first amendment and/or second amendment rights.

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Are you saying the people following them, and non-ICE people too, throwing stuff at them, blocking their movement, etc is “peaceful protest” protected under 1A?

Ok, so now you lefties can toss in the 2A to you whining. Was he initially stopped for his gun, or was it for other actions?

If you can’t see the difference between a person standing on the side walk with a sign, and perhaps yelling, and carrying a gun being 1/2A protected, and getting up and personal with them, then we won’t find common ground.

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Are you saying the people following them, and non-ICE people too, throwing stuff at them, blocking their movement, etc is “peaceful protest” protected under 1A?

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From the information we have available this latest guy that got killed wasn't doing these things

And the only reason he came into contact with them is because he was trying to protect a woman they pushed to the ground

It's ok to admit that they aren't operating perfectly

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And the only reason he came into contact with them is because he was trying to protect a woman they pushed to the ground

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So he just happened to be there and stumbled into this melee armed?

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ok to admit that they aren't operating perfectly

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It’s unreasonable to expect perfection

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It seems ICE is operating well in other states.

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Common ground would be ideal. For example, I’ll agree that Antifa engages in criminal activity.

So let’s compare how ICE operations are going in other states and see what similarities or differences exist.

Is it the same? Is ICE going door to door in other states? Are there 3,000 ICE agents in other cities?

If there is a better model, I’m all for it.

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Is it the same? Is ICE going door to door in other states? Are there 3,000 ICE agents in other cities? If there is a better model, I’m all for it.

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The best model is the non sanctuary cities. ICE is having to go door to door because detainee holds aren’t being respected. This has been known from day 1.

As for if they are going door to door in other areas. I believe they are in other sanctuary cities. But the agitators aren't being supported by the local and state govt. the chi chief came out and nipped in the bud early on.

Chicken and the egg.

A lot of people believe that the incitement has come from ICE heavy handedness and has escalated after deaths of US citizens

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It’s unreasonable to expect perfection

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Of course. So we need to stop pretending that some of these ICE officers should be immune from criticism. They're fair game to criticize when they frick up.

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Of course. So we need to stop pretending that some of these ICE officers should be immune from criticism. They're fair game to criticize when they frick up.

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Seems like the criticism is usually in reaction to a liberal being aggressive and stupid.

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Insurrection Act

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Trump should have invoked it already. He doesn't because he is worried about his poll numbers instead of what would be the best for America. Non of these violent Anarchists should be allowed to get away with the crap that they have been doing. You charge them as Domestic terrorists so that the the liberal judges in Minneapolis can't let them right back out on the street. After everything quiets down. You drop the domestic terrorist charge and just prosecute them for the original crime.