re: This is no longer about the virus..

China pollutes the earth much more than anyone else but you’ll never see the left knock em for it. Same goes for human rights violations or any other atrocities China commits.

Yep. I hope China is the clear enemy to everyone soon.

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Likely is a guess established is a fact.

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"Likely" is not a guess. It means more probable than not. A guess is what you're doing.

And I used the phrase "well established" because that is the most accurate phrasing in my opinion. And "established" does not mean exactly a "fact" nor "proven". It means that the statement in question has been generally accepted as true for a long time. Usually because no one in the world has been able to provide data backing a better answer.

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The fact that you either don’t know that or don’t care in service of your bias is the whole point.

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My "bias" is toward data.

And you have yet to tell me which of those figures is incorrect, and what you believe they should be.

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And “likely” is a biased, blind guess in this case.

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It is not at all a "blind guess". You are choosing to remain blind to the data.

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You keep saying data when we have no idea what the death total or the infected total is. There’s neither a numerator or a denominator but you believe we have accurate numbers.

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We have the Diamond Princess data, which points to a fatality rate just over 1%, though that population obviously skews a little older. We have data from a study in a small town in Germany in which random tests were conducted, and that study indicates that the fatality rate may be around 0.4%. Most of the major models are converging on a fatality rate between 0.3% and 1%. Obviously the picture will become clearer with time, which is why I used not 1 but 2 qualifier words, "likely" and "around" 0.5%.

The fact that you take exception to that statement exposes YOUR bias. All of the data that currently exists in the world puts my estimate squarely in the ballpark, and you just have to show your arse about it?

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And you call other people delusional lmfao.

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For good reason.

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China, a country almost 5x our size where the virus came from is claiming it has almost 7x fewer infected than we do.

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Neither I, nor a single study, nor a single model is using China's data. To even mention the China data is just an attempt to muddy the waters. Everybody knows that's bunk. But if you actually think that anyone with half a brain is actually taking China's numbers into account when estimating anything, then you must have less than half a brain.

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Do you even understand how far off the actual numbers we are?

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I suppose you do?

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That’s not even bringing in the false deaths and non tested cases here.

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Have you even looked at a single piece of data that wasn't spoon fed to you by your "news" of choice? Do you have any idea how many medical professionals, regular people all over the world, that you are accusing of just being willy-nilly with death reports?

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Are you really arguing against the diamond princess numbers?

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What were the Diamond Princess numbers?

Do you know the exact number of infected people both worldwide and in the U.S.?

Do you know the exact death total worldwide and in the U.S.?



You don’t even post the estimated facts lol. Your entire argument is based on personal attacks and inverting facts. It’s actually pathetic

Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong and wrong. Just wanted to cover every incorrect statement, the insults just prove what you are and don’t need rebuttals.

The level of hyperbole by some of you (this thread is a perfect example) is mind blowing; it’s frankly not much different from the leftist loonies you claim to loathe