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re: This is a play by Mark Levin Never Trumper types to break MAGA.
Posted on 11/3/25 at 3:01 pm to JoeHackett
Posted on 11/3/25 at 3:01 pm to JoeHackett
I meant to the Jews specifically forever. Keyword "seed" which is why I am urging you to read the new testament and the quotes provided.
This post was edited on 11/3/25 at 3:03 pm
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Posted on 11/3/25 at 3:06 pm to Richleau
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I meant to the Jews specifically forever. Keyword "seed"
Let's just stick to what I said initially, if the very specific land that God promised, forever, no longer exists... that's a problem.
If you want to have a conversation regarding amillennialism vs dispensationalism vs leaky dispensationalism... knock yourself out. But it doesn't change the fact that the land has importance.
Posted on 11/3/25 at 3:10 pm to JoeHackett
You mean what the apostle Paul doesn't hold weight? The guy who walked with Christ? Look, there's a reason God sent Christ to this world to flip the tables. One purpose was to walk away from the notion that land or sacrifice or structure or materialism has any purpose or weight at all. The whole point was the Kingdom of God through Christ.
You don't get to disregard the New Testament. The covenants in the Old Testament, the prophesies of Isaiah, etc, were all fulfilled via Christ's life and death. So no, the place upon which he died has no relevance anymore. The people who hold true to these ideals are denying Christ and his sacrifice. Call it whatever you will, but that's the purpose of Jesus' message, his life, his works, and his purpose.
You don't get to disregard the New Testament. The covenants in the Old Testament, the prophesies of Isaiah, etc, were all fulfilled via Christ's life and death. So no, the place upon which he died has no relevance anymore. The people who hold true to these ideals are denying Christ and his sacrifice. Call it whatever you will, but that's the purpose of Jesus' message, his life, his works, and his purpose.
This post was edited on 11/3/25 at 3:13 pm
Posted on 11/3/25 at 3:17 pm to Richleau
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You mean what the apostle Paul doesn't hold weight?
I mean that if God said "Richleau, I'm giving you this forever", he probably means it. Think about the implications of God not keeping his promises.
Posted on 11/3/25 at 3:24 pm to mudshuvl05
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Christian numbers and presence in Israel have drastically decreased since modern day Israelis have taken over as opposed to when Muslims controlled the area.
In 1967 the total Christian population in Israel + West Bank + Gaza was 70,000 people.
In 2025, the total Christian population in Israel + West Bank + Gaza is 220,000 people.
In Israel (minus the West Bank & Gaza) the Christian population has grown 1.9% or 185,000 people every year since 2022. In the West Bank & Gaza, the Christian population has declined every year since 2022 just under 2% per year or lost 50,000 Christians.
The Christian population in 1850 was less than 38,500. Israel is the only Middle Eastern country where Christians have grown numerically since 1948.
Not sure where you are getting your information from but its incorrect.
This post was edited on 11/3/25 at 3:25 pm
Posted on 11/3/25 at 3:28 pm to JoeHackett
and what I'm saying is promise fulfilled through Christ. Why are you disregarding the New Testament? Do you believe in that?
Posted on 11/3/25 at 3:37 pm to MrLSU
quote:Who said anything about 1967?
Not sure where you are getting your information from but its incorrect.
The Christian population was 10% in 1948. It's less than 2% today. That's not up for debate.
It's even worse in Palestinian areas: from 18% in 1948 to under 2%.
The fact of the matter is Christians in modern day Israel have not fared well since 1948. The double whammy of both Zionists and Muslims have been a detriment to them.
Posted on 11/3/25 at 4:00 pm to SirWinston
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ETA: this is what AI says
Posted on 11/3/25 at 4:59 pm to GumboPot
So the Neocons will go back go being Trotskyites?
K...
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Posted on 11/3/25 at 5:10 pm to Richleau
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and what I'm saying is promise fulfilled through Christ.
What promise?
edit: The promise of that piece of land forever? The piece of land that if it disappeared would mean God broke his promise?
There's nothing in the New Testament to suggest that a promise made to Abraham "forever" has been fulfilled. How does God fulfill "forever" except by....honoring it forever.
This post was edited on 11/3/25 at 5:15 pm
Posted on 11/3/25 at 6:37 pm to mudshuvl05
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The Christian population was 10% in 1948. It's less than 2% today. That's not up for debate.
It's even worse in Palestinian areas: from 18% in 1948 to under 2%.
The fact of the matter is Christians in modern day Israel have not fared well since 1948. The double whammy of both Zionists and Muslims have been a detriment to them.
Christian population was 10% in 1948 us False. In 1946–47 (last British census), Christians were 7.6% of Mandatory Palestine (~140,000 / 1.85 million). Source: British Mandate Statistical Abstract 1946; Anglo-American Committee 1946.
Less than 2% today is misleading. In Israel proper (2024): 1.9% (~185,000 Christians). In Palestinian territories: ~1% (~40,000).
Overall area: ~1.5%.
Source: Israel Central Bureau of Statistics 2024; PCBS 2023.
From 18% in 1948 to under 2% in Palestinian areas” is Completely fabricated.
1948 (West Bank + Gaza): Christians were ~12–13% of Arab population (~100,000 / ~750,000 Arabs).
Bethlehem (iconic example): 85% Christian in 1950? 10–12% today — under PA control since 1995, not Israel.
Source: Jordanian census 1952; PA census 1997–2017.
Christians have not fared well since 1948”? Only true in Palestinian territories.
In Israel: Christian population grew 5× (34,000 ? 185,000) since 1949. Only Middle Eastern country where this happened.
In West Bank/Gaza: Fell from ~100,000? ~40,000 due to emigration under Jordan (1948–67), PA (1995–), and Hamas (2007–).
Source: Israel CBS; UNRWA; Palestinian Central Bureau of Statistics.
Israel funds Christian schools, protects holy sites, and grants full citizenship.
Decline is worst under Muslim-majority rule: Gaza Christians: 3,000? 800 since Hamas takeover.
Source: U.S. State Department Religious Freedom Reports 2007–2024.
If you care about Middle Eastern Christians, point the finger at Bethlehem under the PA, not Nazareth under Israel. Nazareth: 70% Christian, thriving; Bethlehem: 10% Christian, fleeing.
This post was edited on 11/3/25 at 6:39 pm
Posted on 11/3/25 at 8:18 pm to SirWinston
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Levin and Shapiro
Posted on 11/3/25 at 8:28 pm to Richleau
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Romans, "It was not through the law that Abraham and his offspring received the promise that he would be heir of the world, but through the righteousness that comes by faith."
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