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Posted on 2/12/14 at 10:12 pm to KissmyAxe
A lot of conservatives and republicans call him a traitor. I don't really see them as on the same side as libertarians on those issues.
Posted on 2/12/14 at 10:21 pm to Patrick O Rly
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A lot of conservatives and republicans call him a traitor. I don't really see them as on the same side as libertarians on those issues.
I wasn't asserting that they were.
Posted on 2/13/14 at 6:25 am to KissmyAxe
quote:The biggest obstacles US corporations face are high taxes, onerous regulation, and asymmetric enforcement of both. Libertarians are for reduction or elimination of all of those. So whereas larger entrenched, monied companies might have a preference for BigGovernment they can lobby and control, small, medium, and upcoming businesses generally have no such compunction.
It seems to me that big corporations do not donate to libertarians precisely because of their stance on fiscal issues. (ie) no GM bail outs, no Wall Street bail outs, no housing mortgage bail outs etc. So in short it's precisely BECAUSE Libertarians are firm on fiscal issues and that's why they don't get the big corporate sponsors
Posted on 2/13/14 at 6:46 am to KissmyAxe
My apologies.
Posted on 2/13/14 at 7:52 am to bamafan1001
quote:No we don't. Nothing is ever going to get accomplished through the political process. It's a joke.
Im saying that we need more liberty minded candidates and new strategies to produce those winning libertarian candidates.
Posted on 2/13/14 at 8:02 am to TX Tiger
quote:And I never assumed it would, all I said was to effect the system you must interact with it on some level.
I was disagreeing with the assumption that if one's voice is heard, change would follow.
How would you suggest change be effected without any political involvement?
Posted on 2/13/14 at 8:50 am to Patrick O Rly
quote:Non-aggression principle?
My apologies.
Posted on 2/13/14 at 8:57 am to Diamondawg
What about it?
Posted on 2/13/14 at 9:03 am to Patrick O Rly
Too early in the morning to catch a joke?
Posted on 2/13/14 at 9:04 am to Diamondawg
Perhaps so. 
Idk.
Idk. 
Posted on 2/13/14 at 9:13 am to KissmyAxe
After re-reading this thread I admit that I was wrong and that I made several flawed assumptions. I assumed that I, a member of the Christian right who believes in freedom of choices could could engage in rapport with the intellectual giants that are the libertarians on this board. Wrong of course
I also assumed that because people who believed in liberty could be considered allies with Libertarians even if they still associate(but dont neccessarily agree with) with people who in the past voted for bans against gay marriage etc. Clearly these people are not allies but enemies of Libertarians.
Another false assumption was that Libertarians actually were trying to convince more people to be liberty minded. Clearly Libertarians have an exclusive club that requires superior intelligence and extensive "readings" to be a member(if you arent smart enough to figure out what to read yourself, you arent smart enough to be in the club anyway)
The last and most fatal flawed assumption of mine was that Libertarians actually cared to change this country and actually believe anything can be done. They clearly are above politics and nothing will ever change because 90% of the country just isnt intellectually up for it. I am the stupid one trying to grow a startup business working other jobs on the side in the Obama/Bush economy because obviously I wanted all these taxes, regulations, and Obamacare...
I apologize for offending everyone's intelligence
I also assumed that because people who believed in liberty could be considered allies with Libertarians even if they still associate(but dont neccessarily agree with) with people who in the past voted for bans against gay marriage etc. Clearly these people are not allies but enemies of Libertarians.
Another false assumption was that Libertarians actually were trying to convince more people to be liberty minded. Clearly Libertarians have an exclusive club that requires superior intelligence and extensive "readings" to be a member(if you arent smart enough to figure out what to read yourself, you arent smart enough to be in the club anyway)
The last and most fatal flawed assumption of mine was that Libertarians actually cared to change this country and actually believe anything can be done. They clearly are above politics and nothing will ever change because 90% of the country just isnt intellectually up for it. I am the stupid one trying to grow a startup business working other jobs on the side in the Obama/Bush economy because obviously I wanted all these taxes, regulations, and Obamacare...
I apologize for offending everyone's intelligence
This post was edited on 2/13/14 at 9:15 am
Posted on 2/13/14 at 9:23 am to bamafan1001
quote:I smell smoke and it's coming from the server farm that houses the Poli Board at TD. Gonna burn up some bandwidth with this one.
bamafan1001
Posted on 2/13/14 at 9:31 am to Diamondawg
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bamafan1001
I smell smoke and it's coming from the server farm that houses the Poli Board at TD. Gonna burn up some bandwidth with this one.
I do like to stir pots, and not just big iron ones filled with jambalaya.
What I dont get is that we all want lower taxes, we all want to shrink this government, we dont like the establishment cronies in DC.
I dont like a lot of the republican candidates that run but I cant vote for a liberty minded candidate that isnt on the ballot.
Frankly in the end, I NEED lower taxes. I dont want my business to get audited by the IRS because I support certain political candidates. Im desperate and not in a place in life to where I can sit back and laugh as it all burns down. Ill go down with it
Posted on 2/13/14 at 9:33 am to bamafan1001
You are such a giant baby.
Posted on 2/13/14 at 9:35 am to Patrick O Rly
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You are such a giant baby.
Thats ok, at least im not the jackass at every social event that people avoid because I talk down to everyone
Posted on 2/13/14 at 9:49 am to bamafan1001
Good to hear. That's not me either.
The premise of your thread is condescending, hypocritical and not even entirely true (in regards to the Christian right being liberty minded).
If fiscal matters ARE more important, then why do conservatives/republicans take such a hard stance on social issues? Some of them based their entire campaigns around them. You want libertarians to stop putting such an emphasis on social issues? Ok, you first.
The premise of your thread is condescending, hypocritical and not even entirely true (in regards to the Christian right being liberty minded).
If fiscal matters ARE more important, then why do conservatives/republicans take such a hard stance on social issues? Some of them based their entire campaigns around them. You want libertarians to stop putting such an emphasis on social issues? Ok, you first.
Posted on 2/13/14 at 9:52 am to bamafan1001
Here is the coming political movement that will rule this Nation and the Earth. Libertarians need to realize THIS:
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Posted on 2/13/14 at 10:10 am to bamafan1001
Man I missed this party already, but I can give 2 cents anyway.
Theocratic minded Christians will have a very hard time dealing with Libertarians. In my experience they will walk right up to the edge but refuse to jump in. It's the Mike Huckabee type attitude that drives me crazy. We can agree on fiscal things, but unless you allow Chriatians to make laws that infringe on freedoms, Libertarians are the most dangerous group of Republic leaning voters in their mind. That is what Huckabee has expressed.
What Republicans need to realize is that Libertarians don't expect to run the government. They are a long way and unlikely to ever get a seat at the table. So OP, the Libertarians are saying we are not the ones that need to realize, you are. I'm not being nasty, so don't get whiny, but I will vote Libertarian if a candidate is too dangerous in my view to be trusted with my Liberty. Republicans need me, I don't need them. That is why they throw the temper tantrums and tell me I throw my vote away, I help the other side which is worse, I don't understand politics, yada yada yada. I'll vote for your guy when he doesn't want to just control my freedoms in a different manner than a democrat does.
Theocratic minded Christians will have a very hard time dealing with Libertarians. In my experience they will walk right up to the edge but refuse to jump in. It's the Mike Huckabee type attitude that drives me crazy. We can agree on fiscal things, but unless you allow Chriatians to make laws that infringe on freedoms, Libertarians are the most dangerous group of Republic leaning voters in their mind. That is what Huckabee has expressed.
What Republicans need to realize is that Libertarians don't expect to run the government. They are a long way and unlikely to ever get a seat at the table. So OP, the Libertarians are saying we are not the ones that need to realize, you are. I'm not being nasty, so don't get whiny, but I will vote Libertarian if a candidate is too dangerous in my view to be trusted with my Liberty. Republicans need me, I don't need them. That is why they throw the temper tantrums and tell me I throw my vote away, I help the other side which is worse, I don't understand politics, yada yada yada. I'll vote for your guy when he doesn't want to just control my freedoms in a different manner than a democrat does.
Posted on 2/13/14 at 10:26 am to Libertariantiger
Christians want - no, demand - the right to establish IN THEIR COMMUNITIES the Civic Laws that promote THEIR Religious cultural worldview. That IS FREEDOM. Each Community establishes principles, promotes them, reaps the societal consequences therein...and either wins or loses the Ideological 'debate'. Proof is in the pudding.
It is Statist Federalism that is putting us all at each other's throats. One size fits all. Never the intent of this Nation, though it absolutely was founded and held PRAYER SERVICES in the Halls of Congress since inception.
And it's whiners who would rather bitch and gripe if they are a minority. If you don't want to hear a prayer in Jesus name or the celebration of Christmas in your CHOSEN community, school or civic organization...then go where it suits your fancy. And find out how it works out in the long run.
Geez!
It is Statist Federalism that is putting us all at each other's throats. One size fits all. Never the intent of this Nation, though it absolutely was founded and held PRAYER SERVICES in the Halls of Congress since inception.
And it's whiners who would rather bitch and gripe if they are a minority. If you don't want to hear a prayer in Jesus name or the celebration of Christmas in your CHOSEN community, school or civic organization...then go where it suits your fancy. And find out how it works out in the long run.
Geez!
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