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re: The USA is the greatest nation on the fricking planet...

Posted on 6/10/17 at 2:32 am to
Posted by WhiskeyPapa
Member since Aug 2016
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Posted on 6/10/17 at 2:32 am to
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For as terrible as you feel America is think about this:

-the industrial revolution brought on by the evil white man led to more non white lives than anything in history.


So if we snuff out fewer lives than we created, we are cool?

Posted by Lsuchs
Member since Apr 2013
8073 posts
Posted on 6/10/17 at 2:34 am to
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So if we snuff out fewer lives than we created, we are cool?


We snuff out less lives than any world power before us.

The rest of the world is just begging to snuff out millions the second we frick off.

Were do I say we are angels? I'm just telling you we are human. Look up shite humans do to each other throughout the ages.


The conquerors always garner the critism, yet the It was the way of every single civilization.

Or do you think the Indians just decided against sailing to Europe with guns? Or the fact that Europeans conquered the Americans rather than Asians doesn't have anything to do with the size of the Atlantic vs pacific?

When Europeans showed up and committed their crimes against Indians the Indians were busy raping, pillaging, and enslaving each other. They were cutting the conquereds beating hearts out for the sun gods

More capable =\= more evil. Europeans effectively weaponized gunpowder first, end of story
This post was edited on 6/10/17 at 3:02 am
Posted by WhiskeyPapa
Member since Aug 2016
9277 posts
Posted on 6/10/17 at 2:46 am to
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The rest of the world is just begging to snuff out millions the second we frick off.


Complete nonsense. The Royal Navy has 30 combatant ships including submarines. They are definitely bent on world conquest.

The Viet Nam war was ginned up on a totally false premise and Johnson knew it.


"In reply to a formal question submitted by President Lyndon B. Johnson–“Would the rest of Southeast Asia necessarily fall if Laos and South Vietnam came under North Vietnamese control?”–the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) submits a memo that effectively challenges the “domino theory” backbone of the Johnson administration policies. This theory contended that if South Vietnam fell to the communists, the rest of Southeast Asia would also fall “like dominoes,” and the theory had been used to justify much of the Vietnam War effort.

The CIA concluded that Cambodia was probably the only nation in the area that would immediately fall. “Furthermore,” the report said, “a continuation of the spread of communism in the area would not be inexorable, and any spread which did occur would take time–time in which the total situation might change in any number of ways unfavorable to the communist cause.” The CIA report concluded that if South Vietnam and Laos also fell, it “would be profoundly damaging to the U.S. position in the Far East,” but Pacific bases and allies such as the Philippines and Japan would still wield enough power to deter China and North Vietnam from any further aggression or expansion. President Johnson appears to have ignored the CIA analysis–he eventually committed over 500,000 American troops to the war in an effort to block the spread of communism to South Vietnam."

LINK

Just a movie

Posted by Lsuchs
Member since Apr 2013
8073 posts
Posted on 6/10/17 at 2:54 am to
I don't dispute a single thing you just posted. It's messed up.

Calling us one of the worst nations in the world just because we are the most capable is complete bullshite though.

When, ever in human history, has it not been even worse. Even in recent history you have many genocides and mass rapings

-Look what Japan did in china in WWII.
-Rowanda in the 90s
-the Middle East today
The list goes on

You think there aren't multiple countries ready to wipe every man woman and child in Israel off the map right now? Are they not doing it because they choose not to or because they can't?

There would be 50 global wars the second the world powers stalemate falls. And the barbarism would be like the days of old. When the dust settles there will be a group ahead of the rest and it will be the same shite all over again, it would take time for them to develop even the same level of morality you think the world powers lack today

ETA: regarding the Cold War stuff, yes it was manipulative and immoral. Just judge the bigger picture while you are at it too though. Russia would have taken every square on the chess board we conceded.
Who do you think has it better today, South Korea or North Korea? Bc that's the result of our evil vs theirs. And if it wasn't us and Russia it would have just been X and Y instead.
This post was edited on 6/10/17 at 3:15 am
Posted by WhiskeyPapa
Member since Aug 2016
9277 posts
Posted on 6/10/17 at 3:12 am to
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Calling us one of the worst nations in the world just because we are the most capable is complete bullshite though.


More people have been killed at our hands in the last 50 years than by any other nation by far, or any combination of nations.

The general in charge in Afghanistan recently said he needs a larger force to "break the stalemate" in Afghanistan. When we couldn't do that with 5 times the force.

Breaking the Stalemate in Afghanistan

By Robert Cassidy
April 14, 2017

General Nicholson has conceived a laudable idea for an operational method to help break the stalemate by about 2020. His idea is to invest in those forces that have demonstrated the best capacity to outfight the Taliban in most engagements: the Afghan Special Security Forces (ASSF) and the Afghan Air Force (AAF). In his recent SASC testimony, he explained his operational idea to grow the ASSF and AAF to build an overmatch in offensive capacity vis-à-vis the Taliban, to ultimately achieve tactical and operational momentum. The idea is to create an offensive punch that will outmatch the Taliban and break the stalemate. An offensive overmatch in the best Afghan security forces will create a tactical and operational capacity to hit the Taliban hard, disrupting, capturing, and displacing their leaders and infrastructure. This concept will create operational momentum by taking away Taliban capacity and by increasing the Afghan government’s control over more key population areas. But tactical gains and operational momentum alone will not break the stalemate. Offensive punch and tactical overmatch will set the enemy back, but without strategic change in reducing the enemy’s external sanctuary, these gains will be impermanent. There were marked tactical gains and discernible operational momentum during the uplift of forces period in 2010-2011, but they did not break the strategic stalemate because Pakistan continued to provide sanctuary and support."

LINK


That is war just for the sake of war.
Posted by WhiskeyPapa
Member since Aug 2016
9277 posts
Posted on 6/10/17 at 3:14 am to
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You think there aren't multiple countries ready to wipe every man woman and child in Israel off the map right now?


Oh, the Jews.

They are our enablers. They do everything they can to stick a sharp stick into anything resembling peace. Wall Street loves them.

We need to stop supporting Israel completely.
This post was edited on 6/10/17 at 3:22 am
Posted by WhiskeyPapa
Member since Aug 2016
9277 posts
Posted on 6/10/17 at 3:20 am to


Notice the saying by Sun Tzu I highlighted in red.

Smart guy.

Here is another thing that we did just to keep war going when it was starting to die down. A fake sarin attack.



Posted by LukeSidewalker
Mobile, Alabama
Member since Dec 2012
8417 posts
Posted on 6/10/17 at 3:24 am to
Alabama is awesome every day.
Posted by WhiskeyPapa
Member since Aug 2016
9277 posts
Posted on 6/10/17 at 3:26 am to
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ETA: regarding the Cold War stuff, yes it was manipulative and immoral.


You are wrong again. Are you used to that yet?

Forestalling the Soviet Union was a necessary thing. Their records show that as late as 1986 they were looking to break into western Europe.

Funny how as soon as the Soviet Union collapsed Islamic terror took its place. Hell, it's better. A war on "terror" never has to end.

Posted by Lsuchs
Member since Apr 2013
8073 posts
Posted on 6/10/17 at 4:01 am to
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You are wrong again. Are you used to that yet?

Forestalling the Soviet Union was a necessary thing. Their records show that as late as 1986 they were looking to break into western Europe.


Can't believe we didn't play the "good" country and let them...

I never mentioned necessity, you really can't tell i don't deny manipulative or immoral practices or their possible necessity to prevent worse throughout history?

Are you advocating war now or saying it makes you the worst country in the world? Most of your deaths in your article were Cold War no?

You sound like you should be proud of the American intervention death toll since WWII. Death by every violent metric per capita has been decreasing globally since we took the reigns.

I have not been morally justifying or condeming our actions globally, you've done both unless I'm missing the sarcasm. I've simply been telling you to look past your self loathing towards your country, and tell me who has not done worse as the world power of an age, or who would not do worse if given the reigns as the world power today.
That doesn't even touch what non powers would do to others if they could get away with it now, there is hate that regions harbor for each other at this very moment beyond anything we have for another, they just lack capability. But there are nations that do much worse to their own people than we do to anyone else.

I'll leave you with this: how many civilizations or countries ruthlessly tried to conquer the entire world? Usually a couple at any given time.
Yet the only time in history this feat was ever achievable it was turned down by, according to you, the worst county in the world. With aviation technology, the turnover in governments, and the US being the only owner of atomic weapons at the end ww2 the world was helpless...
This post was edited on 6/10/17 at 4:33 am
Posted by Dale51
Member since Oct 2016
32378 posts
Posted on 6/10/17 at 7:03 am to
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This is some revisionist, historically inaccurate, faux paux patriotic bull shite.

Evidenced by what? Historically compared to what other country at the same point in time?
Just curious as to what you basis is for that evaluation.
Posted by Dale51
Member since Oct 2016
32378 posts
Posted on 6/10/17 at 7:25 am to
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Vietnam?
Who were the oppressors?


The Communists.

quote:

Iran in 1953?
Who were we to boot out the Shah?


The Shah was not the one involved. The Shah..opposed by fricknuts Carter..was the best hope for evolving Iran out of the 7th century.
Mossedegh was a backstabbing tyrant. helping to get rid of him was the right thing to do.
Posted by Dale51
Member since Oct 2016
32378 posts
Posted on 6/10/17 at 7:35 am to
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I can think of a few countries I might prefer living in at the moment.

Thats believable. It depends on what one prefers to be surrounded by. What are some of those things you would like more of that is lacking in this country?
Posted by Dale51
Member since Oct 2016
32378 posts
Posted on 6/10/17 at 7:36 am to
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IMO unless you are talking about a Denmark or a New Zealand where you have a homogenous population the size of Houston it doesn't get much easier than here. Whether you are talking about taxation, equality legislation, national security, working conditions, or job opportunity

Those are the tangible things. If you are talking about perception such as discrimination (personally not legally) or "is my president an a-hole," well that's a lot simpler when your country is over 90% homogenous or your media is limited in its ability to criticize.
People say the US is too white at < 70%, and there is nothing on the books that prevents any demographic from any achievement, in fact lower representations in fields are given advantages.



That^
Posted by Dale51
Member since Oct 2016
32378 posts
Posted on 6/10/17 at 7:38 am to
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They enjoy life more, work to live and not live to work, don't have fast food on every corner, you can piss in a bush without getting arrested, law enforcement are better trained, public is better informed politically, education systems are better.

In what time frame are you basing your memories on?
Posted by Dale51
Member since Oct 2016
32378 posts
Posted on 6/10/17 at 7:41 am to
You're brainwashed.
Posted by el Gaucho
He/They
Member since Dec 2010
59228 posts
Posted on 6/10/17 at 7:42 am to
When the us falls because of the democrats, me and the baws are gonna form the independent city state of st George

You're welcome to come if you pass the pork test and bring your own ammunition.
Posted by Dale51
Member since Oct 2016
32378 posts
Posted on 6/10/17 at 7:42 am to
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So if we snuff out fewer lives than we created, we are cool?


That makes zero sense.
Posted by Masterag
'Round Dallas
Member since Sep 2014
20252 posts
Posted on 6/10/17 at 7:54 am to
I was living in France 10 years ago. My opinions, aside from Australia, is based on actual personal experience and not media or hearsay.

But I frequently visit friends and family in Europe and not much has changed.
This post was edited on 6/10/17 at 7:55 am
Posted by Roaad
White Privilege Broker
Member since Aug 2006
84027 posts
Posted on 6/10/17 at 7:55 am to
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If you had any real effect on public opinion, and found yourself on the wrong side of the Clintons, you'd be found dead in your bathroom or in a small plane crash right away.
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