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re: The US overthrew the Yukanovych government in 2014
Posted on 2/27/22 at 7:55 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 2/27/22 at 7:55 am to SlowFlowPro
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They were acting via UN proxy. If you have issues with their attempt to train local security forces, support local governments, and to combat terrorism, then take it up with the UN.
Once again, spouting the talking points of the military industrial complex. You are so predictable!
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Posted on 2/27/22 at 7:55 am to SCLibertarian
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Can you imagine our reaction if Mexico and the other Central American countries signed collective defense pacts with Russia?
The thing is, Russia is so weak that's incomprehensible.
People keep trying to make this a tit-for-tat in the most elementary way and it doesn't work in reality.
The reason why Mexico and Canada would never do this is because of freedom, trade, and commerce. Russia under Putin has ignored economic/trade development to maintain an ancient mindset and it operates its perception of relations within that barbarism.
China is a lesson Russia could have learned from, and if you try to replace Russia with China in your example, it becomes even more absurd. China has been able to invest its economic rewards from opening up its economy and trade freedoms into the country itself. It's avoided the American folly of over-spending on external military actions. There is no way on God's green Earth China would risk upsetting it's biggest trade partner for no gain.
Posted on 2/27/22 at 7:56 am to 850SaintsGator
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the US has to intervene to stop one country from invading another country
For the record, I am not arguing this point.
Posted on 2/27/22 at 7:56 am to Toomer Deplorable
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Once again, spouting the talking points of the military industrial complex. You are so predictable!
China and Russia are now part of the US MIC?
Posted on 2/27/22 at 7:56 am to 850SaintsGator
Another tds infected alter
Where are you clowns pouring in from?
Where are you clowns pouring in from?
Posted on 2/27/22 at 7:57 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:You really do have no fisking clue do you?
Again, this would have given Ukraine, in 2014, the possible right to attack the US. It gave Russia no legal or moral authority to do anything.
Russia by asserting its right to deal with the threat we instigated is justified in reacting to that threat. The fact they didn’t escalate this into global conflict as you suggest they should is great.
The ones pushing a global conflict…..US. You can say NATO, but everyone with a functional brain knows NATO won’t do a single thing without the US telling it to.
Posted on 2/27/22 at 7:58 am to DyeHardDylan
The public ousted that turd, who immediately fled to his daddy, Putin. You might want to stop repeating Putin propaganda
Posted on 2/27/22 at 7:59 am to NC_Tigah
Zelenskyy campaigned on this being his preference, but only if a national referendum said to do it.
Posted on 2/27/22 at 8:00 am to llfshoals
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Russia by asserting its right to deal with the threat we instigated is justified in reacting to that threat.
What threat? Losing a puppet government? That government was not Russia's actual government so it had no right to respond.
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The fact they didn’t escalate this into global conflict as you suggest they should is great.
No. I said UKRAINE may have had a grievance for the 2014 situation. Russia has none. I never said Russia should/could have escalated the 2014 situation b/c Russia had no real right to do anything in response.
Posted on 2/27/22 at 8:06 am to SlowFlowPro
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The coup is irrelevant today.
Do you legitimately believe that because the United States supported a coup in 2014, it has no bearing on the present crisis in the Ukraine?
No one can be this dumb. You have to be a troll.
Posted on 2/27/22 at 8:18 am to Toomer Deplorable
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Do you legitimately believe that because the United States supported a coup in 2014, it has no bearing on the present crisis in the Ukraine?
The current government, by pretty much all account, was elected and has popular support within the country.
Given that fact, the answer to your question is: The 2014 coup has no rational or legitimate bearing on 2022.
Had that government stayed in power, then internally, Ukraine would 100% have a grievance (and for the sake of this argument I'm assuming the US helped a coup to oust an illegitimate Russian-proxy puppet government and replaced it with a US-proxy anti-Russian government).
Russia would not.
The 2014 coup is just a talking point/propaganda piece for people who want to shite on the US and blame us for Russia's insanity.
This post was edited on 2/27/22 at 8:20 am
Posted on 2/27/22 at 8:27 am to SlowFlowPro
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China and Russia are now part of the US MIC?
You are such a retard.
I’m sure China and Russia were pleased to see American lives needlessly lost and American tax dollars depleted in that 20 year quagmire.
Posted on 2/27/22 at 8:29 am to Toomer Deplorable
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I’m sure China and Russia were pleased to see American lives needlessly lost and American tax dollars depleted in that 20 year quagmire.
So China and Russia support the US MIC (aka the elite) while also supporting the US elite using Afghanistan as a way to enrich and entrench the elite (their primary enemies) all the while requesting NATO engage in "aggression", which is an example of why Russia should fear NATO 20 years later?
Makes perfect sense.
Posted on 2/27/22 at 8:29 am to DyeHardDylan
The Russian propaganda is apparently gelling around the revolutionary actions of the Ukrainian people before the election where they voted a popular comedian as president.
So our resident Russian mouthpieces are going to beat that drum hard for days or weeks to try to convince Americans that the invasion is our fault.
So our resident Russian mouthpieces are going to beat that drum hard for days or weeks to try to convince Americans that the invasion is our fault.
Posted on 2/27/22 at 8:31 am to TBoy
Weird how you are not only supporting the Russians you are all in on the white supreme pizzas that you melted down about for the last 5yrs
Posted on 2/27/22 at 8:41 am to SDVTiger
quote:What is funny is how desperate that poster is to do self-overtime work to de3fend the most corrupt SOTH we have ever had
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Her Husband was an early investor in facebook. That's his money source. Pelosi couldn't have known that facebook would turn into facebook. There were all sorts of websites back then.
So, eurocat, did you dig the way, your heroine tore up President Trumps speech and worked to frame TWO IMPEACHMENTS against his, and to this day works to conceal her role in the so called insurrection of January, imprisoning citizens and stealing their civil rights?
eurocat, you are scum
Posted on 2/27/22 at 8:44 am to SlowFlowPro
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The 2014 coup is just a talking point/propaganda piece for people who want to shite on the US and blame us for Russia's insanity.
And right on cue, back to accusing anyone who opposes the interventionist polices of the United States as being a Putin apologist.
What you fail to realize is that you yourself are spouting propaganda by absolving the United States for it’s repeated support of promiscuous interventionist polices throughout Eastern Europe.
Posted on 2/27/22 at 8:50 am to SlowFlowPro
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So China and Russia support the US MIC (aka the elite) while also supporting the US elite using Afghanistan as a way to enrich and entrench the elite (their primary enemies) all the while requesting NATO engage in "aggression", which is an example of why Russia should fear NATO 20 years later?
The enemies of continued Liberty in this nation — both foreign and domestic — like seeing the United States bleed itself dry.
Posted on 2/27/22 at 8:54 am to Eurocat
So this justifies the US going in there and installing a puppet government?
I though liberals were against shite like this. Now you all act like Karl Rove.
I though liberals were against shite like this. Now you all act like Karl Rove.
Posted on 2/27/22 at 8:59 am to Toomer Deplorable
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And right on cue, back to accusing anyone who opposes the interventionist polices of the United States as being a Putin apologist.
I never said that. Stop projecting.
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by absolving the United States
Never did that, either. I even said Ukraine had the right to respond to our intervention in 2014.
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