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re: The unwavering support of Ukraine

Posted on 9/21/23 at 9:35 am to
Posted by HVAU
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Posted on 9/21/23 at 9:35 am to
Hers the situation. There are 8 billion other motherfrickers on this planet. There is armed conflict going on always, always, full fricking stop. The serious policy makers, not the yahoos that speak to your inter simpleton, and DOD personnel are constantly tasked with making decisions about those conflicts where real people are being killed, constantly. Do we do nothing? Do we supply humanitarian aid? Do we supply weaponry? Do we directly engage? Off of each of those questions is another, for example…If the answer is yes to any except the first how do we do that without a bureaucratic framework on the grounds for dissemination? How will this affect the domestic economy? Which of our partners will share the burden? Will there be US citizen lives lost?

And many others, each with a new branch. It’s the world’s most complex chess match and it is constantly being played.

But then there’s you with the brilliant line “
quote:

only when your goal is constant war
”. So fricking simple.
Posted by Eurocat
Member since Apr 2004
17203 posts
Posted on 9/21/23 at 9:39 am to
which then led to Ukraine attacks on the Russian people in the Easter regions, not to mention US bio labs

COMPLETE lie about those attacks. I was there. Literally, there, I was helping build a TV station. There were no attacks.

And the Bio Labs are not US but Ukranian. Why build them there if you are the USA?

Their safety range/rating/level is not uncommon.

Here is a link to a biolab with the same security status as the ones in Ukraine but it is located in the USA.

LINK

LINK





Posted by Tchefuncte Tiger
Bat'n Rudge
Member since Oct 2004
63395 posts
Posted on 9/21/23 at 9:40 am to
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Countries that espouse personal liberty and traditional American values deserve to be defended. In this case, neither Russia nor Ukraine fit the bill.


Nor does the United States.
Posted by Ribbed
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2023
2745 posts
Posted on 9/21/23 at 9:42 am to
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The serious policy makers, not the yahoos that speak to your inter simpleton, and DOD personnel are constantly tasked with making decisions about those conflicts where real people are being killed

Understand. Top men have decided. Why should the People have a say in Our Democracy. You're a cartoon of a deep stater. Brilliant. Your 2000s total wat game is up. Might take us a bit,but we're done with your globalist dreams.

Sorry. Might want to learn to code.
Posted by CollegeFBRules
Member since Oct 2008
25710 posts
Posted on 9/21/23 at 9:47 am to
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Preventing future conflict is a red herring when the goal is constant war.


Prove your assertion.
Posted by Ribbed
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2023
2745 posts
Posted on 9/21/23 at 9:49 am to
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Prove your assertion.

Seventy years of intervention and confict.

"You can't back that up!"
Posted by Warboo
Enterprise Alabama
Member since Sep 2018
5899 posts
Posted on 9/21/23 at 9:54 am to
Ignorance is bliss with this one.
Posted by Ribbed
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2023
2745 posts
Posted on 9/21/23 at 9:57 am to
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Ignorance is bliss with this one.

Assurances from our betters would be a litle more sincere if they weren't using the government to punish all dissent and push for total destruction of our way of life. I'm probably just ignorant though. Sure we can trust you.
This post was edited on 9/21/23 at 9:59 am
Posted by Warboo
Enterprise Alabama
Member since Sep 2018
5899 posts
Posted on 9/21/23 at 9:57 am to
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Point one: Russia expanding territory to the Polish border vastly increases the chance of a broader conflict with direct NATO engagement (that means us).


Well that is the dumbest shite I have read in a while. You do understand one of the main reasons that Russia invaded is because Ukraine was/is trying to join NATO right? Instead of the conflict with direct NATO engagement happening in Poland it would happen in Ukraine (on Russias door step). Putin had said many times that Ukraine joining NATO would be a deal breaker. Ukraine FAFO.
Posted by HVAU
Up over here
Member since Sep 2010
5165 posts
Posted on 9/21/23 at 10:08 am to
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Understand. Top men have decided. Why should the People have a say in Our Democracy. You're a cartoon of a deep stater. Brilliant. Your 2000s total wat game is up. Might take us a bit,but we're done with your globalist dreams. Sorry. Might want to learn to code.


I figured that what be what you’d take away from my statement, but an intelligent person might say “hmmm, let me go through the branches of this decision making tree and see if what’s been decided makes sense, or if I even have access to the information to make such decisions “. In your case it’s just another stupid fricking trope.

I don’t mean this as derogatory, but I think you should reevaluate your logic processes. I don’t say that to say you should agree with me on this issue, but if you were using a bit higher level logic the conversation could get away from the meme type statements.

Good luck.
Posted by HVAU
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Member since Sep 2010
5165 posts
Posted on 9/21/23 at 10:13 am to
NATO is not a sovereign nation, but a defense collective. Look at the actions Russia has taken with its other, former Soviet neighbors and ask yourself, as a sovereign nation, would you be looking to join a defense collective that affords some protection from a predatory neighbor.

If Ukraine comes out of this, and that NATO wall goes up, Russia is going to have a much more difficult decision about invading neighbors to the west.

From here, it looks like it could become Putin FAFO.
Posted by Ribbed
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2023
2745 posts
Posted on 9/21/23 at 10:16 am to
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I figured that what be what you’d take away from my statement, but an intelligent person might say “hmmm, let me go through the branches of this decision making tree and see if what’s been decided makes sense,

We know several things:
Th people telling us there's no choice but war, always say no choice but war.
The people telling us no choice but war lie about their motives.
The people telling us no choice but war profit off constant war.
The people telling us no choice but war set up this situation through constant agitation in Ukraine.
The people telig us no choice but war arranged a coup, stole an election, fomented riots throughout 2019 and 2020, and prosecuted political enemies in sham trials.
The people telling us no choice but war are pushing mutilation of children and destruction of our economy.

Let's see if you can follow my decision branches, you lying mouthpiece.
This post was edited on 9/21/23 at 10:18 am
Posted by Keltic Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2006
22000 posts
Posted on 9/21/23 at 10:16 am to
A large portion of the SS guards at Auschwitz were Ukrainians as well as several SS divisions being completely composed of Ukrainians. A lot of that mentality is very much present today. FWIW.
Posted by SCLibertarian
Conway, South Carolina
Member since Aug 2013
42073 posts
Posted on 9/21/23 at 10:18 am to
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“hmmm, let me go through the branches of this decision making tree and see if what’s been decided makes sense, or if I even have access to the information to make such decisions “

Are you serious? What makes you think for a minute that what policy elites decide for us is actually what's best for the country? There's a trail of lie after lie going back decades that makes me hesitant to believe anything these people tell me.
Posted by YouAre8Up
in a house
Member since Mar 2011
12792 posts
Posted on 9/21/23 at 10:19 am to
Ask any liberal/marxist/socialist that it's for democracy.
Posted by Warboo
Enterprise Alabama
Member since Sep 2018
5899 posts
Posted on 9/21/23 at 10:21 am to
quote:

NATO is not a sovereign nation, but a defense collective. Look at the actions Russia has taken with its other, former Soviet neighbors and ask yourself, as a sovereign nation, would you be looking to join a defense collective that affords some protection from a predatory neighbor.

If Ukraine comes out of this, and that NATO wall goes up, Russia is going to have a much more difficult decision about invading neighbors to the west.

From here, it looks like it could become Putin FAFO.



One reason Russia invaded was the NATO issue but there were other problems that needed to be addressed also. Ukraine was/is being used by the US for lab research including GOF research (evil shite). Also, the US installed the current admin over Ukraine. Why do you ask? The answer is simple. The establishment needed a way/place to funnel money. What better way to funnel money than start a war. The MIC and the politicians are making boat loads of cash off of this conflict. If this conflict ends they will move on to another place to do the same. Afgan, Ukraine etc. It never stops. Pure evil.
Posted by HVAU
Up over here
Member since Sep 2010
5165 posts
Posted on 9/21/23 at 10:26 am to
Actually I don’t think you know most that. I think you’ve been told most of that and you like repeating what you’ve been told instead of logically going through the information available to you.

I hope you figure it out.
Posted by Ribbed
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2023
2745 posts
Posted on 9/21/23 at 10:27 am to
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Actually I don’t think you know most that. I think you’ve been told most of that and you like repeating what you’ve been told

Who you going to believe? Intel agencies or your lying eyes?
Posted by Warboo
Enterprise Alabama
Member since Sep 2018
5899 posts
Posted on 9/21/23 at 10:28 am to
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ctually I don’t think you know most that. I think you’ve been told most of that and you like repeating what you’ve been told instead of logically going through the information available to you.

I hope you figure it out.


You would be surprise what I know compared to what I have heard. I am pretty sure your talking points are speculation and opinion. I hope you figure it out.
Posted by HVAU
Up over here
Member since Sep 2010
5165 posts
Posted on 9/21/23 at 10:35 am to
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You would be surprise what I know compared to what I have heard. I am pretty sure your talking points are speculation and opinion. I hope you figure it out.


I don’t recall replying to you with that statement, but ok.
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