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re: The Times reporting the CIA destroyed Nordstream
Posted on 2/8/23 at 12:39 pm to jdd48
Posted on 2/8/23 at 12:39 pm to jdd48
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That's not just any hack "reporter" either. It's living legend Seymour Hersh.
the living legend that says the pakistanis sold bin laden to us??
we may very well have done this and i could give two fricks but Seymour is an old man living in fantasy land no matter if he is right on this one or not.
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Posted on 2/8/23 at 12:42 pm to moneyg
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That's quite a shift from your previous position that Russia did this to itself.
I never made a definitive claim one way or another.
I just showed that Russia doing it to itself wasn't absurd, given the geopolitical and international economic situation.
Posted on 2/8/23 at 12:43 pm to upgrayedd
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The really entertaining part is how he attempts to show he's consistent on all his views
It's not hard to do when you are.
Posted on 2/8/23 at 12:46 pm to wileyjones
Ruh roh
Posted on 2/8/23 at 12:54 pm to lsu777
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living legend that says the pakistanis sold bin laden to us??
Is that not exactly what happened?
Posted on 2/8/23 at 12:58 pm to kingbob
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Is that not exactly what happened?
yea im sure we just decide to fly in our best helicopter tech, have 1 crash and have to leave it for the pakistanis to sell to china
come the frick on bro. be realistic.
Posted on 2/8/23 at 12:59 pm to riverdiver
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But our government/CIA/DOD etc certainly utilizes contractors for certain things in order to provide plausible deniability.
Right. Except the exact opposite is true. We NEVER use contractors for something sensitive.
The organization has tons of leverage with service members, especially senior people. Most special boys are senior in rank. And they believe in the mission and are loyal to the organization.
Posted on 2/8/23 at 12:59 pm to upgrayedd
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The really entertaining part is how he attempts to show he's consistent on all his views
Which is funny when he's wrong, and still claims victory.
He just switches his desired outcome to match his failed logic.
The media with their "conspiracy theory" rampage really affected the soys.
This post was edited on 2/8/23 at 1:02 pm
Posted on 2/8/23 at 12:59 pm to kingbob
I haven't read about that in years but I thought I remembered the Pakistani government throwing an epic hissy fit over the US doing that op without their approval/knowledge.
Posted on 2/8/23 at 1:00 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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The media with their "conspiracy theory" rampage rally affected the soys.
I am such a fan of CTs I was scolded by LSURussian in the past for having Collin discuss all his CTs. Russian blamed that for his ultimate suicide.
Posted on 2/8/23 at 1:01 pm to SlowFlowPro
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It's not hard to do when you are.
There it is, folks.
Posted on 2/8/23 at 1:02 pm to upgrayedd
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There it is, folks.
Never wrong and always consistent..
Dude is super human... Posted on 2/8/23 at 1:03 pm to wileyjones
God is mad, really, really mad.
Posted on 2/8/23 at 1:03 pm to Clyde Tipton
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Doesn't the CIA typically shut down this type of factual reporting?
Not anymore. They feel secure knowing the MSM will label any outcry as Russian disinformation and lock them up as a threat to our democracy.
See Jan 6
Posted on 2/8/23 at 1:03 pm to SlowFlowPro
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I haven't read about that in years but I thought I remembered the Pakistani government throwing an epic hissy fit over the US doing that op without their approval/knowledge.
they did
here are couple things most wont acknowledge
who is the best at propaganda?? the russians
who benifits from this coming out? the russians by dividing the germans against the rest of europe and possibly delaying tank deliveries so that can try and win their spring offensive.
also how do you galvanize your populace that is growing leary of war?? if you are the russians, you leak this
but yea lets trust a reporter who has missed on his last 2 or 3 big stories where he claimed anonymous sources
gtfo with that.
Posted on 2/8/23 at 1:05 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Never wrong and always consistent.. Dude is super human...
His false sense of superiority while portraying himself as infallible is one of the finer displays on this site.
Posted on 2/8/23 at 1:06 pm to wileyjones
Muh russians
Posted on 2/8/23 at 1:11 pm to lsu777
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who is the best at propaganda?? the russians
who benifits from this coming out? the russians by dividing the germans against the rest of europe and possibly delaying tank deliveries so that can try and win their spring offensive.
also how do you galvanize your populace that is growing leary of war?? if you are the russians, you leak this
Yeah I mean it's still possible that this is all an op from Russia. One report from one guy isn't a final determination.
Posted on 2/8/23 at 1:19 pm to SlowFlowPro
While I see the Russian motivation to attempt to turn the Western allies against each other, I saw ZERO Russian motive for destroying the pipeline in the first place. Now, if it turns out the pipeline was destroyed purely by negligence/mechanical failure, that does sound pretty Russian, and shifting blame to the U.S. would be a pretty good strategy. However, Russia had ZERO motive to purposely destroy that pipeline.
Nordsstream was their leverage. With Nordstream operating, Russia could choose or choose not to send gas to Germany, and use that gas as a bargaining chip. They could cut a deal that if Germany agreed to back Russian peace plans, then Germany would immediately get all the gas they need at a discount. On the flip side, they could starve needy nations of gas if those nations continued to materially support Ukraine.
Destroying the pipeline took away ALL Russian leverage. Russia could no longer offer gas as an inducement for supporting their side in a peace deal. Germany was reliant on that gas to run its manufacturing economy, so Germany sabotaging the pipeline makes little sense as well. They need that gas and may completely collapse economically without it.
If the pipeline didn’t fail due to an accident, the U.S. is the most likely candidate for sabotage.
Nordsstream was their leverage. With Nordstream operating, Russia could choose or choose not to send gas to Germany, and use that gas as a bargaining chip. They could cut a deal that if Germany agreed to back Russian peace plans, then Germany would immediately get all the gas they need at a discount. On the flip side, they could starve needy nations of gas if those nations continued to materially support Ukraine.
Destroying the pipeline took away ALL Russian leverage. Russia could no longer offer gas as an inducement for supporting their side in a peace deal. Germany was reliant on that gas to run its manufacturing economy, so Germany sabotaging the pipeline makes little sense as well. They need that gas and may completely collapse economically without it.
If the pipeline didn’t fail due to an accident, the U.S. is the most likely candidate for sabotage.
Posted on 2/8/23 at 1:21 pm to upgrayedd
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His false sense of superiority while portraying himself as infallible is one of the finer displays on this site.
Must be a legal industry thing. Hank and his MSM sources are exactly the same.
The popular opinion always trumps independent thought apparently.
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