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The strategic case for — and against — Democrats shutting down the government over DACA

Posted on 1/19/18 at 11:12 am
Posted by dewster
Chicago
Member since Aug 2006
26608 posts
Posted on 1/19/18 at 11:12 am
Long, but interesting read on the dynamics at play currently.

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The strategic case for — and against — Democrats shutting down the government over DACA

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All of a sudden, Senate Democrats are looking ready to shut down the government over immigration. After months of fruitless negotiations over helping to get legal status for the hundreds of thousands of immigrants protected by the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program — something President Trump and Speaker Paul Ryan have both claimed to want — they seem to have had enough.

But there’s still division in the party over whether a shutdown makes a deal for DREAMers more likely — or less.


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Dozens of Senate Democrats have said they are withholding their votes from any government funding bill that doesn’t address DACA. If they hold firm, the federal government will shut down at midnight Friday.

These Democrats’ argument, essentially, is that it’s time to take a stand for DREAMers. A show of strength at a high-profile deadline, they think, is the only way to force a recalcitrant White House to get serious on the issue.


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Quietly, some say that a shutdown fight would be downright counterproductive to efforts to help DACA recipients.

These Democrats — let’s call them the “Shutdown Skeptics” — privately worry that forcing a government shutdown could end up torpedoing chances to cut an immigration deal with Trump. “It essentially forces Trump to draw a line,” says an aide to a senator in this camp.



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It’s common to treat the Shutdown Skeptics as having transparently political motivations, and some, especially those in states Trump won big, surely do. (This faction is now being derided by the Pod Save America guys as the “Waffle House” because of their alleged waffling on helping DACA recipients.)

But some of these Democrats truly do seem to want a DACA deal — and they’re making the case that a government shutdown is more likely to kill that deal than it is to save it.

One major problem with the shutdown strategy, from this point of view, is that it transforms the situation into one where Trump will inevitably be viewed as either triumphing over Democrats or caving to their demands. And our winning-obsessed president won’t want to be seen as a loser.

In this line of thinking, Democrats really shouldn’t delude themselves into thinking that a government shutdown over DACA will be popular (like Republicans did for Obamacare in 2013). Many people across the country will be terribly inconvenienced by it, at the very least. Plus, the Republican position — a “clean” government funding bill that funds the Children’s Health Insurance Program for several years — seems reasonable on its face.

If the shutdown does prove to be very unpopular — for instance, last time, review of veterans’ disability applications slowed to a halt — and if Trump effectively argues that Democrats caused it by making extravagant demands for unauthorized immigrants, Democrats’ negotiating position will weaken. Republicans and immigration hawks will be emboldened, and the prospects of a DACA deal could well recede even further.



Summary: Democrats that are facing re-election in Trump states are very worried about the shutdown. They know this is bad for their brand in those areas, as prioritizing illegal immigrants over American citizens will not play well for mid terms.

Democrats that are more insulated are supporting the shut down as a power play against Trump. They feel that Trump is emboldened after successfully passing Tax Reform, and see this as a way to fight back.
This post was edited on 1/19/18 at 11:17 am
Posted by goatmilker
Castle Anthrax
Member since Feb 2009
76503 posts
Posted on 1/19/18 at 11:17 am to
How about Gov shutdown Page 1

Muh russians page 14
Posted by Tridentds
Sugar Land
Member since Aug 2011
23952 posts
Posted on 1/19/18 at 11:23 am to
Interesting but I wonder how many Americans support shutting down the government over people who came into this country under DACA which was ruled unconstitutional by our courts. Even Obama admitted it was not constitutional.

Do Democrats really want to shut down the government over illegal aliens? Especially when the deadline to do something about DACA is not until March.

Would be nice if once... just once... the Democrats would put the U.S. and our citizens at the top of their priority list instead of putting illegals, other countries, the global community, refugees, Iran, etc.. ahead of U.S. citizens.

I'm just saying...
Posted by NewbombII
Member since Nov 2014
5596 posts
Posted on 1/19/18 at 11:26 am to
Dems are you really going to shutdown OUR government for people that ARE NOT citizens?
Posted by member12
Bob's Country Bunker
Member since May 2008
33142 posts
Posted on 1/19/18 at 11:33 am to
quote:

Dems are you really going to shutdown OUR government for people that ARE NOT citizens?



That appears to be the case.
Posted by Cajunese
Louisiana
Member since Jun 2005
7186 posts
Posted on 1/19/18 at 11:36 am to
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Dems are you really going to shutdown OUR government for people that ARE NOT citizens?


YES

Why? Because it's not just about trying to pull a "gotcha" on Trump. This is their way to pass a bill quicker in order to turn dreamers into voting Democrats.

It's all about VOTES.
Posted by LSU Patrick
Member since Jan 2009
77912 posts
Posted on 1/19/18 at 11:38 am to
There is no way that the dems come out of this in better shape. This is one of the most successful plays by the GOP in recent history.
Posted by member12
Bob's Country Bunker
Member since May 2008
33142 posts
Posted on 1/19/18 at 11:40 am to
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Why? Because it's not just about trying to pull a "gotcha" on Trump. This is their way to pass a bill quicker in order to turn dreamers into voting Democrats.



Amnesty
Chain Immigration
Open borders
Posted by Colonel Flagg
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2010
23488 posts
Posted on 1/19/18 at 11:41 am to
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It's all about VOTES.


I am hoping republicans under Trump’s leadership realize that is the line in the sand. It just shouldn’t happen where they get voting rights.
Posted by member12
Bob's Country Bunker
Member since May 2008
33142 posts
Posted on 1/19/18 at 11:42 am to
quote:

There is no way that the dems come out of this in better shape. This is one of the most successful plays by the GOP in recent history.



GOP isn't doing much of anything. Democrats are shooting themselves in the foot right now.
Posted by LSU Patrick
Member since Jan 2009
77912 posts
Posted on 1/19/18 at 11:47 am to
Exactly. There is no need for the GOP to do anything. Outside of this issue, everything is going well.
Posted by member12
Bob's Country Bunker
Member since May 2008
33142 posts
Posted on 1/19/18 at 12:13 pm to
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