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re: The Shape of Things to Come: 1969 vs 2019, US Dollar value.

Posted on 8/17/19 at 5:11 pm to
Posted by Bard
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Posted on 8/17/19 at 5:11 pm to
quote:

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Average household income in 1969: $9,543.99

Average household income today (2017): $59,039.00

1969 average income adjusted for 1970: $63,744.49

This means that since 1969 the value of the average household income has decreased by: $4,705.49 or 7.4%.
But the number oft used is median rather than average.


For large sample sizes with a low amount of outliers I've always preferred an average.

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Doubtful.


Okay, so let's clear those doubts up with official numbers:

US Census data: 1969 US Median income was $9.400.

US Census data: 2017 US Median income was $61,372

Inflation calculator

So that means the 1969 median income adjusted for inflation into 2017 dollars is: $62,782.78. This is a drop if $1,410.78 or or drop of 2.2% in value.
Posted by RTM4
Pflugerville
Member since Apr 2018
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Posted on 8/17/19 at 5:15 pm to
That for sure is the truth.

How much money do the modern citizens waste on disposable crap that cannot be repaired?

TV's, washers and driers, refrigerators, ac's stuff that actually had repairmen for it. It cost more but then you could keep it going for almost your life.

Now everything is designed to fail.

One good example is cell phones... boy do we waste a butt ton of money on those as they get obsoleted from software upgrades.

I still have some old rotary phones that I could plug into an active phone line and make a call, not that I have a phone line any longer.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
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Posted on 8/17/19 at 5:27 pm to
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So that means the 1969 median income adjusted for inflation into 2017 dollars is: $62,782.78. This is a drop if $1,410.78 or or drop of 2.2% in value.

Awe, you didn't read the rest of my post? That's odd, since you read the first half.
Posted by Bard
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Posted on 8/17/19 at 5:44 pm to
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Awe, you didn't read the rest of my post? That's odd, since you read the first half.




I read it, it was just irrelevant.
Posted by tigerfoot
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Posted on 8/17/19 at 6:28 pm to
pesoesque
Posted by DyeHardDylan
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 8/17/19 at 6:31 pm to
The value of the dollar sunk when we abandoned the gold standard. There is nothing at all backing our currency now.
Posted by captainFid
Vestavia, AL
Member since Dec 2014
4696 posts
Posted on 8/17/19 at 7:15 pm to
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They've passed.


They helped build this fine area then. I appreciate them for that.

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Built near the highest overlook on the road.


Think I know where you write about.

I myself (who live between Columbiana & HWY 31) will walk to the top of Shades Crest every night then back down on the Southern side of the Mountain where I live. It's a beautiful area.

I'm grateful to live in the area.

Posted by BigAppleBucky
New York
Member since Jan 2014
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Posted on 8/17/19 at 7:24 pm to
Don't know the numbers, but how many hours would the average working person need to earn that $700 in 2019 compared to 1969. Comparing minimum wage year over year isn't adequate because that number has been frozen for ten years.

Min wage 1969 - $1.30
Min wage 2019 - $7.25

(7.25/1.30)*100 = $558

But many places are at $12 or even $15 which would yield more buying power now than 1969. The real problem is that medical, college and housing expenses all have inflated at far higher rates than GNP deflator.
Posted by notiger1997
Metairie
Member since May 2009
58109 posts
Posted on 8/17/19 at 7:30 pm to
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t was a nice, middle class suburb. Her dad was a technician at a tv station, and her mom didn't work. Both parents would need professional 6 figure jobs to have that kind of life and neighborhood today


I bet that house was a 1200sf three bedroom and they had one car. Ate out once a month and wasted almost no money.
Posted by cajunangelle
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Posted on 8/17/19 at 7:32 pm to
Posted by rooster108bm
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Posted on 8/17/19 at 7:46 pm to
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I myself (who live between Columbiana & HWY 31) will walk to the top of Shades Crest every night then back down on the Southern side of the Mountain where I live.


Damn that's a hell of a walk.
Posted by captainFid
Vestavia, AL
Member since Dec 2014
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Posted on 8/17/19 at 8:22 pm to
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I myself (who live between Columbiana & HWY 31) will walk to the top of Shades Crest every night then back down on the Southern side of the Mountain where I live.


Damn that's a hell of a walk.





Sorry, I meant Columbiana Rd and HWY31
The walk is about 30-40 mins.... not hours.
Posted by Bard
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Posted on 8/17/19 at 8:23 pm to
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Don't know the numbers, but how many hours would the average working person need to earn that $700 in 2019 compared to 1969.


This means nothing without taking inflation into account. $700 in 1969 equates to $4,893.72 today.

So to make $700 at $1.30/hour would take 538.5 hours or 67.3 days (working 8 hours per day).

To make $4,893.72 at $7.25/hour would take 675 hours or 84 days (working 8 hours per day).

For minimum wage in 2019 to have the same buying power it did in 1969 it would have to be $9.09/hour.

Posted by Bunk Moreland
Member since Dec 2010
53130 posts
Posted on 8/17/19 at 8:31 pm to
I don't understand why many of the hard currency goldbug types moved to something even more digitized/intangible than fiat currency = bitcoin, etc.
This post was edited on 8/17/19 at 8:32 pm
Posted by Champagne
Already Conquered USA.
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 8/17/19 at 11:23 pm to
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What do you suppose the value of the US dollar will be 50 years from now, once we monetize our debt severely?


I can't believe that I will be the first to post this appropriate response to my question:

"About .350 of a dollar."
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