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re: The right is divided
Posted on 12/10/24 at 10:16 am to Harry Ballz 2024
Posted on 12/10/24 at 10:16 am to Harry Ballz 2024
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we need to have BALLS
Harry balls.
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Posted on 12/10/24 at 10:18 am to Y.A. Tittle
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This notion that the Party (up until "12-15 years ago") has been this bastion of ideological "conservatism"
The base was.
The base seems to have abandoned all principles though, which were individualistic.
Posted on 12/10/24 at 10:19 am to wackatimesthree
Nah, I disagree with this. Sorry if I wasn't clear in quoting both statements.
Outside of perhaps getting onboard with the utilization of tariffs in certain aspects of international trade (which I've already quibbled with with the idea that it is some big manifestation of "populist collectivism" - but for the sake of this discussion, let's concede it is to whatever degree you wish), I'm not sure what else we are supposedly pointing to to support the proposition that the Republican base has now abandoned conservatism altogether and embraced populism.
It strikes me as a wholly ridiculous proposition.
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So the base did the dumbest thing possible, abandoned conservatism altogether (because that's the way to get more of what you wanted), and embraced populism.
Outside of perhaps getting onboard with the utilization of tariffs in certain aspects of international trade (which I've already quibbled with with the idea that it is some big manifestation of "populist collectivism" - but for the sake of this discussion, let's concede it is to whatever degree you wish), I'm not sure what else we are supposedly pointing to to support the proposition that the Republican base has now abandoned conservatism altogether and embraced populism.
It strikes me as a wholly ridiculous proposition.
Posted on 12/10/24 at 10:23 am to Toomer Deplorable
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One of the core tenets of Keynesian economics is unrestricted borrowing to finance spending
True, but Keynes theory was to use debt to stimulate, and not use debt when we dont need to stimulate.
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Once you promote the idea that the government can print money out of thin sir with no lasting ill effects, MMT is ultimately the end destinatio
Classical economics (including Keynesians) believed that the real world full employment was 5-5.5%. Spending pushing money into the economy with lower, just creates inflation.
MMT dont care. It pushes debt into the economy regardless, until inflation becsomes unbearable.
One spends to stimulate, the other spends to push growth regardless of circumstances.
Posted on 12/10/24 at 10:24 am to 10thyrsr
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What are your takes on how we come together?
We will never convince NEO cons of joining in with those that want to take their power away like Trump. They are more closely aligned with the modern Democrat party.
Posted on 12/10/24 at 10:25 am to djsdawg
We will come together when the economy goes into recession.
Its not far off. There are few tools left in the arsenal.
Its not far off. There are few tools left in the arsenal.
Posted on 12/10/24 at 10:27 am to 10thyrsr
The reasons are so clear.. no need to restate them
Posted on 12/10/24 at 10:31 am to RogerTheShrubber
The stock correction is long overdue. Just a matter of when.
Posted on 12/10/24 at 10:34 am to RogerTheShrubber
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True, but Keynes theory was to use debt to stimulate, and not use debt when we dont need to stimulate.
Yet it was decades of Keynesian policies that normalized the print and spend policies of the Federal Reserve. MMT is simply the logical end point of such debt monetization.
This post was edited on 12/10/24 at 11:12 am
Posted on 12/10/24 at 10:35 am to Toomer Deplorable
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Yet it was decades of Keynesian policies that normalized the print and spend policies of the Federal Reserve.
Youre right, but the amount of debt and when to use it are very different.
Under MMT, debt is not a consideration.
Posted on 12/10/24 at 10:37 am to 10thyrsr
Funny how those who lose elections always say how divided the winner is. Not funny though because it only further indicates how disconnected you are. You'll never see it coming because you haven't seen what's come to this point.
Posted on 12/10/24 at 10:40 am to RogerTheShrubber
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and it is obvious that GOP establishment faction has nothing but contempt for us. So, frick em.
Where do yall go when Trump is out of the picture?
America First/MAGA is bigger than Trump. So, whomever the best candidate and candidates are that want to carry that torch. Absolutely will never vote for another GOP establishment RINO again. At least not knowingly...
Posted on 12/10/24 at 10:41 am to wackatimesthree
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Constantly. because there are no principles to apply, only warring groups and the only thing that matters is whether your group is winning.
So how is Trump any different than Ronald Reagan in that respect? Reagan oversaw a massive increase in government spending and tripled the Federal Debt, from $900 billion to $2.6 trillion. After WWII, it had taken 3 decades of government spending for the debt to be tripled, yet Reagan did it in a mere eight years.
This post was edited on 12/10/24 at 10:42 am
Posted on 12/10/24 at 10:42 am to LegalEazyE
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America First/MAGA is bigger than Trump.
Neither Vance nor Ron would continue massive tariffs.
Posted on 12/10/24 at 10:43 am to LegalEazyE
Trump, Biden and Obama have opened the floodgates.
Posted on 12/10/24 at 10:44 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Under MMT, debt is not a consideration.
When has it been a consideration. Not in my lifetime.
Posted on 12/10/24 at 10:45 am to Toomer Deplorable
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When has it been a consideration. Not in my lifetime.
Until 2009.
Posted on 12/10/24 at 10:48 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Trump, Biden and Obama have opened the floodgates.
Don’t forget W!
Posted on 12/10/24 at 10:50 am to 10thyrsr
There are a large number of elected Republicans in Washington DC that hate their own voters.
Ask them.
Ask them.
Posted on 12/10/24 at 10:54 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Until 2009.
Lip service does not equal concern.
This post was edited on 12/10/24 at 10:55 am
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