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re: The right is divided
Posted on 12/10/24 at 12:04 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Posted on 12/10/24 at 12:04 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Just admit youre an economic simpleton
Is that why I’m happy about Ron Paul being involved as an advisor?
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Posted on 12/10/24 at 12:06 pm to Y.A. Tittle
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Is that why I’m happy about Ron Paul being involved as an advisor?
That has absolutely nothing to do with your mastery of economics.
It is, however, exactly the kind of thing a populist would say.
Not, "Here's how the whole thing works economically," but "I support one of the 'Us' people, so I'm on the right team."
This post was edited on 12/10/24 at 12:07 pm
Posted on 12/10/24 at 12:06 pm to Y.A. Tittle
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Is that why I’m happy about Ron Paul being involved as an advisor?
Get back to me when Trump actually cuts govt spending Youre going to be very disappointed.
Looking at the chart posted above, tell me how Trump is any different than Obama or Biden.
thanks. This is really really easy.
This post was edited on 12/10/24 at 12:08 pm
Posted on 12/10/24 at 12:07 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Get back to me when Trump actually cuts govt. Youre going to be very disappointed.
I hope you're wrong about this.
Posted on 12/10/24 at 12:08 pm to wackatimesthree
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I hope you're wrong about this.
Cutting govt spending will mean stagnant growth or a recession,.
Trump proved in 2019 he will not stand for that
Posted on 12/10/24 at 12:10 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Cutting govt spending will mean stagnant growth or a recession,.
Yes, and I have posted the same thing before.
But I'm hoping he doesn't realize that until it's already been done.
Posted on 12/10/24 at 12:11 pm to wackatimesthree
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But I'm hoping he doesn't realize that until it's already been done.
Which is possible, I guess.
Posted on 12/10/24 at 12:12 pm to wackatimesthree
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Get back to me when Trump actually cuts govt. Youre going to be very disappointed.
I hope you're wrong about this.
Anyone hoping to change it is fighting against the same forces.
It’s not the “populists.” (I still don’t know who the frick such people are.)
When you have a guy saying a lot of the right things and putting in (seemingly) a lot of the right people, I don’t know how it makes any sense at such point to be anything but cautiously optimistic. I certainly don’t see what sense it makes to so nothing but shite on it and shite on people who are ostensibly hoping it might come to fruition.
Posted on 12/10/24 at 12:15 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Which is possible, I guess.
I mean, once it's done, it's done.
And if he doesn't realize the effects of the tariffs he has already imposed and wants to impose more of, there's every chance he won't realize this either until it's been done and can't easily be reversed.
The economic principles behind them are equally basic.
Posted on 12/10/24 at 12:17 pm to Y.A. Tittle
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It’s not the “populists.” (I still don’t know who the frick such people are.)
The longer you play dumb, the longer I'm going to play along with you that you must be.
It's not hard, it's very obvious, and it's not like we're the only people in America who recognize it.
Google "Republican" and "populist."
Posted on 12/10/24 at 12:18 pm to Y.A. Tittle
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I don’t know how it makes any sense at such point to be anything but cautiously optimistic.
You can be all you want, but Trumps brand of populism is objectively bad economics.
This economy was rebuilt after 2009 on borrowed money. For Trump to make a meaningful cut will mean a recession.
Do you honestly think Trump will accept a recession? This is where his populism comes into play. He will do whatever it takes to make him popular, regardless of fiscal limitations.
No one will accept a receding economy on their watch, this isnt just on Trump. No one would do it.
Defense and entitlements are the big ticket items, along with debt. He's already said he isnt going to touch those things, so the debt will continue to rise.
Posted on 12/10/24 at 12:19 pm to wackatimesthree
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And if he doesn't realize the effects of the tariffs he has already imposed and wants to impose more of, there's every chance he won't realize this either until it's been done and can't easily be reversed.
You may be right, he seems to think tariffs are expansionary.
Posted on 12/10/24 at 12:19 pm to Y.A. Tittle
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When you have a guy saying a lot of the right things and putting in (seemingly) a lot of the right people, I don’t know how it makes any sense at such point to be anything but cautiously optimistic. I certainly don’t see what sense it makes to so nothing but shite on it and shite on people who are ostensibly hoping it might come to fruition.
I agree with this.
If Trump and team can accomplish even half of what they say they hope to accomplish they will have done an amazing service to America. And by amazing, I mean one that I never thought I would see in my lifetime. Possibly unprecedented.
And I will give populism credit for having motivated it.
And then I will hope we will return to conservatism.
Posted on 12/10/24 at 12:20 pm to 10thyrsr
We've already came together on November 5th, now it's just inner family squabbling.
The woke dragon is dead and we will progress from here on out
The woke dragon is dead and we will progress from here on out
Posted on 12/10/24 at 12:22 pm to The Torch
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The woke dragon is dead and we will progress from here on out
This is one area where I applaud Trump. His stance against wokeness.
He also has some solid selectins for cabinet.
Posted on 12/10/24 at 12:23 pm to wackatimesthree
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And then I will hope we will return to conservatism.
Getting there will never happen with the flip of a switch. I wish it would, but I understand reality.
Posted on 12/10/24 at 12:23 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Fiscally Donny is a progressive.
As were John McCain & Mitt Romney. But when I refused to support those tools, I was lectured by many “principled conservatives” that not voting for these neocon Jackboots was tantamount to an act of betrayal against this country. Now it seems many of these same GOPE pukes are the ones most apoplectic about Trump’s popularity!
Posted on 12/10/24 at 12:24 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Defense and entitlements are the big ticket items, along with debt. He's already said he isnt going to touch those things, so the debt will continue to rise.
If they can significantly cut the budget, however, there ARE adults in the party who realize that SS can't just continue ad infinitum that can come after Trump and work on the entitlements.
Everybody here hates Nikki Haley, but she was the only POTUS candidate willing to address SS/Medicare like an actual adult.
Since Ron Paul's name is being thrown around in this thread, he can be counted among that number as well.
I choose to have hope. I never thought I would ever even see anyone CLAIM to accomplish what Trump is claiming they will accomplish.
I'm hoping that that can spark an ongoing revolution that lasts after he's out of office.
Posted on 12/10/24 at 12:25 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Explain the difference between Trump, Obama and Joe.
It is a valid point.
But do you keep stopping at Obama?
Posted on 12/10/24 at 12:28 pm to Toomer Deplorable
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As were John McCain & Mitt Romney
Mitt, probably so.
McCain was a fiscal conservative.
McCain on the issues
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Defund Planned Parenthood. (Oct 2016)
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Obama's new spending is committing generational theft. (Nov 2010)
Proposed firing SEC chairman for 2008 economic crisis. (Jan 2010)
We’ve laid a $10 trillion debt on our young people. (Oct 2008)
Energy independence & tax cuts for all. (Oct 2008)
Stabilize mortgage industry so people stay in their homes. (Oct 2008)
Cut down on earmarks & establish priorities. (Oct 2008)
I have fought against excessive spending my entire career. (Sep 2008)
Can’t pass trillions of dollars of debt to our children. (Jul 2008)
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OpEd: could have single-handedly killed the bailout. (Aug 2010)
2008 financial bailout bill: GOP gets blamed if it fails. (Jan 2010)
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Veto all pork-barrel bills and announce pork spenders. (May 2007)
Voted NO on $192B additional anti-recession stimulus spending. (Jul 2009)
Voted YES on modifying bankruptcy rules to avoid mortgage foreclosures. (May 2009)
Voted NO on additional $825 billion for economic recovery package. (Feb 2009)
Voted YES on $40B in reduced federal overall spending. (Dec 2005)
Voted NO on prioritizing national debt reduction below tax cuts. (Apr 2000)
Voted YES on 1998 GOP budget. (May 1997)
Voted YES on Balanced-budget constitutional amendment. (Mar 1997)
Balanced Budget Amendment with 3/5 vote to override. (Jan 2009)
Disapprove of increasing the debt limit. (Jan 2012)
Supports constitutional amendment for balanced budget. (Nov 2016)
Maintain & enforce existing spending caps in the future. (Sep 1998)
These are issues MAGA types pretended to support at one time.
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