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re: The reason why so many of our values and traditions are being systematically erased:
Posted on 1/16/19 at 11:48 am to bmy
Posted on 1/16/19 at 11:48 am to bmy
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I view things as they are, without regard to place or person; my country is the world, and my religion is to do good.
You forgot the first part, not to mention taking the quote out of context but that's another matter.
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Independence is my happiness,
Independence goes out the door under a world government.
This post was edited on 1/16/19 at 11:50 am
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Posted on 1/16/19 at 11:58 am to WildTchoupitoulas
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Y'all's traditions and values are being erased?
Bummer.
I guess they weren't very durable if all it takes is a UN health bureaucrat to erase them.
Just because smoking a cigarette doesn't kill you immediately, doesn't mean it won't happen eventually. Not everything in life happens over night.
Posted on 1/16/19 at 11:59 am to Centinel
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Independence goes out the door under a world government.
Prove it
Why would we be less free than we are today if there were 150 instead of 50 states united under our constitution?
This post was edited on 1/16/19 at 12:01 pm
Posted on 1/16/19 at 12:02 pm to bmy
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Why would we be less free than we are today as 50 states united under a constitution?
Because if I decide this country isn't for me anymore, I can move to my choice of over 150 other ones, assuming I adhere to their immigration requirements of course.
Kind of hard to move to another planet if I disagree with the world government.
Posted on 1/16/19 at 12:02 pm to Centinel
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Independence is my happiness,
Independence goes out the door under a world government.
This post was edited on 1/16 at 11:50 am
love is happiness.
Being independent is the adolescent.
Let's look at your current independence.
You depend on others to defend USA.
You depend on others to provide utilities.
You depend on software others wrote so you can read my post.
You depend on farmers and fishermen.
Pretty much every thing you can have comes from teams of cooperating adults.
Posted on 1/16/19 at 12:03 pm to Centinel
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Extended families generally were an economic necessity that went away...
...after WWII and we were in an economic showdown with the USSR. To win the showdown, we employed hyper-consumerism. that is, consuming goods and services, not for the good of our own needs, or our family's needs, but for the need to grow the economy and win the Cold War. Our economy is still on a war-time footing.
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I wouldn't call either nuclear or extended families a "value."
Then you should've taken it up with the poster who did.
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The value as I see it is the importance of a two-parent, stable household in which to raise children.
My mother didn't grow up in a house with two parents, her father died when she was ten. Luckily there was an extended family around to help out. Also luckily, one of their values was not "American individualism", but teamwork through community and extended family.
Posted on 1/16/19 at 12:09 pm to CelticDog
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You depend on others to defend USA.
*looks at my OCPs* How'd those get in my closet!
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You depend on others to provide utilities.
That I compensate the company for? That's called free trade. At any point I can go out west and set up an off the grid home. Easily done, and in fact there's a cool TV show about it.
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You depend on software others wrote so you can read my post.
Again, free market exchange. Chicken gets his ad revenue, I get to laugh at your stupidity.
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You depend on farmers and fishermen.
And I could easily grow all my produce and fish/hunt if I choose to. I actually do end up growing most of my produce in any case.
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Pretty much every thing you can have comes from teams of cooperating adults.
That I can chose to interact with if I want to or not.
There's a term for that. It's called..wait for it...
Independence.
This post was edited on 1/16/19 at 12:10 pm
Posted on 1/16/19 at 12:15 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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..after WWII and we were in an economic showdown with the USSR. To win the showdown, we employed hyper-consumerism. that is, consuming goods and services, not for the good of our own needs, or our family's needs, but for the need to grow the economy and win the Cold War. Our economy is still on a war-time footing.
Ok, and what exactly does this have to do with what I wrote? Did our booming economy and new mobility mean extended family was not needed economically anymore or not?
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Then you should've taken it up with the poster who did.
I'm simply adding to the discussion. That's what you do on a message board.
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My mother didn't grow up in a house with two parents, her father died when she was ten. Luckily there was an extended family around to help out. Also luckily, one of their values was not "American individualism", but teamwork through community and extended family.
And until her father died, she grew up in a two-parent family.
I have an extended family as well. I just don't live with them. The rise of the nuclear family didn't mean extended families disappeared. It just meant those extended families didn't reside in the same place.
Posted on 1/16/19 at 12:15 pm to Centinel
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Because if I decide this country isn't for me anymore, I can move to my choice of over 150 other ones, assuming I adhere to their immigration requirements of course.
Kind of hard to move to another planet if I disagree with the world government.
You could just move to the equivalent of todays sanctuary cities. Or to an unaffiliated country.
Posted on 1/16/19 at 12:16 pm to bmy
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world government.
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Or to an unaffiliated country.
Posted on 1/16/19 at 12:26 pm to CelticDog
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Being independent is the adolescent.
Read this and weep people. Weep for what has happened to our republic and the freedoms past generations fought and died for.
The progressive left is making it obvious they don't want to be free which would be fine if they were not so he'll bent on dragging the rest of us down with them.
It absolutely disgusts me the things you liberals believe in and represent. It's sick and perverted
Posted on 1/16/19 at 12:28 pm to relapse98
Not a root source for that particular quote, but a video that explains in depth what is transpiring...
GEOTUS and the New World Disorder
GEOTUS and the New World Disorder
Posted on 1/16/19 at 12:35 pm to Centinel
I don't see why a world government would have to be all encompassing or mandatory. Ideally it begins with other countries adopting a constitution modeled after ours (state constitutions) and those states unite under a global constitution and bill of rights.
It doesnt have to resemble the Empire.. this is just the more likely reality between dystopia and utopia.
It doesnt have to resemble the Empire.. this is just the more likely reality between dystopia and utopia.
This post was edited on 1/16/19 at 12:37 pm
Posted on 1/16/19 at 12:36 pm to bmy
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I don't see why a world government would have to be all encompassing or mandatory.
Posted on 1/16/19 at 12:36 pm to bmy
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I don't see why a world government would have to be all encompassing or mandatory.
A government that's not mandatory is called a club.
Posted on 1/16/19 at 12:38 pm to Y.A. Tittle
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A government that's not mandatory is called a club.
Or a union. Maybe it's the American Hegemony. Call it what you want. It is disingenuous to presume that a global government would necessarily be dystopian.
The important part is that state-level governments are protected from the federal government and that basic rights are preserved for all people. I see no reason to arbitrarily limit the size of that successful system.
United States/Nations of Earth
This post was edited on 1/16/19 at 1:01 pm
Posted on 1/16/19 at 12:41 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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at least I've got values and traditions
Drinking soy lattes in mom's basement and being a cuck aren't values.
Posted on 1/16/19 at 12:41 pm to Centinel
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Ok, and what exactly does this have to do with what I wrote?
That what some are calling traditions and values are really just engineering by our government to manipulate us.
I remember when thrift was an American value. Now it's seen as un-American, and contrary to the growth of the economy. We are encouraged to leverage the value of our lifetime's work in order to purchase goods and services we don't need, but which help grow the economy for its own sake.
You may be too young, but I remember a time when "conspicuous consumption" was actually frowned upon in this country, now it's seen as patriotic.
So yeah, tell me all about the loss of values in America.
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The rise of the nuclear family didn't mean extended families disappeared. It just meant those extended families didn't reside in the same place.
That's right, more housing, more refrigerators, more cars... instead of furnishing just one house (perhaps with heirlooms), two houses must now be furnished (with cheap furniture you have to assemble yourself.) Hell, durable goods aren't even durable anymore. Whereas one refrigerator could've served an extended family for 30 years, now two households will each have to buy a new fridge every ten years.
Hyper-consumerism is degrading our values just as much as anything else.
Posted on 1/16/19 at 1:00 pm to CelticDog
Whoa... I heard of people like you but you are the first I've encountered... you're from that place where the lion and the lamb are friends?
Posted on 1/16/19 at 1:10 pm to jnethe1
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Well he and others blindly defended the destruction of our values.
Who else? You quoted one person mocking your fear mongering and Otto? Quit lying about knowing it was fake.
This post was edited on 1/16/19 at 2:53 pm
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