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The reality, however tough it is to accept regarding the 2024 elections
Posted on 6/23/22 at 12:16 am
Posted on 6/23/22 at 12:16 am
Let me preface by saying if I had my druthers, Rand Paul was my choice in 2016. I'm glad he lost and I voted for Trump with no reservations, most deflated by what I thought to be near certain defeat only to experience an election night like none other. Trump alone could have and did defeat Hillary. What a night. Only great Tiger Stadium stadium nights and Xmas and Easter hallelujah choruses at my large conservative and classical methodist church in Shreveport could compare...
Let's see what the polls say the next several months but at this point what is clear are two things. Biden is done. Yet the only candidate he or a generic D candidate could beat is Trump!
I believe fraud likely cost Trump in 2020 but there is no doubt that it only came to be that close due to the overwhelming anti-trump sentiment that coalesced behind Biden. Curley Hallman would have won that night. And we've all admitted even if Trump lost due to fraud, no one who matters believes the same. Yes there may be a few sparks in Arizona and a couple of other places but we've got to realize 2020 is over! Let's try to prevent it again but like Nixon in 60 where Illinois and Texas were more clearly fraudulent, it's over.
Of course the media and the mainstream caused the mayhem but when you really get down to it if Biden was such a weak candidate how did he win? Fraud can oy explain some matters and if we are honest we must win by enough to beat the rigged system in 2024.
It's scary that with Biden holding in the mid to low 30s that he is at worst even with Trump.
We must realize that no matter if Hitler were the declared candidate of the left that he'd be in a deadlock with Trump.
We've had years to convince people and even the two most disastrous economic periods of life (the first being the end and the beginning of the Carter and Reagan administrations) we've endured in at least 40 years economically...and Biden and Trump are tied
If Ron DeSantis doesn't win the nomination I don't care how much worse the situation
A Trump 2024 platform on 2020 right now appears to be the only way a Dem could win. We need someone new. And it only appears DeSantis has "it".
Trump will lose the generic "D" besides maybe Biden. After all the crap we've been through we should be having a landslide and Trump can't yet get 44%. Which means 48%. And at best a toss up should that's assuming no chicanery.
Let's see what the polls say the next several months but at this point what is clear are two things. Biden is done. Yet the only candidate he or a generic D candidate could beat is Trump!
I believe fraud likely cost Trump in 2020 but there is no doubt that it only came to be that close due to the overwhelming anti-trump sentiment that coalesced behind Biden. Curley Hallman would have won that night. And we've all admitted even if Trump lost due to fraud, no one who matters believes the same. Yes there may be a few sparks in Arizona and a couple of other places but we've got to realize 2020 is over! Let's try to prevent it again but like Nixon in 60 where Illinois and Texas were more clearly fraudulent, it's over.
Of course the media and the mainstream caused the mayhem but when you really get down to it if Biden was such a weak candidate how did he win? Fraud can oy explain some matters and if we are honest we must win by enough to beat the rigged system in 2024.
It's scary that with Biden holding in the mid to low 30s that he is at worst even with Trump.
We must realize that no matter if Hitler were the declared candidate of the left that he'd be in a deadlock with Trump.
We've had years to convince people and even the two most disastrous economic periods of life (the first being the end and the beginning of the Carter and Reagan administrations) we've endured in at least 40 years economically...and Biden and Trump are tied
If Ron DeSantis doesn't win the nomination I don't care how much worse the situation
A Trump 2024 platform on 2020 right now appears to be the only way a Dem could win. We need someone new. And it only appears DeSantis has "it".
Trump will lose the generic "D" besides maybe Biden. After all the crap we've been through we should be having a landslide and Trump can't yet get 44%. Which means 48%. And at best a toss up should that's assuming no chicanery.
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Posted on 6/23/22 at 12:29 am to Shreveportolewarskul
TLDR. Trump owns the GOP now. He will be your next POTUS. Period.
Posted on 6/23/22 at 12:29 am to Shreveportolewarskul
While I agree that Trump has too much downside, the poll numbers you are claiming are also probably made up by the same people who cannot be trusted with anything that may help our side.
Posted on 6/23/22 at 12:32 am to Shreveportolewarskul
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I believe fraud likely cost Trump in 2020 but there is no doubt that it only came to be that close due to the overwhelming anti-trump sentiment that coalesced behind Biden.
It only came to be that close because they flat out cheated. Trump won more counties and picked up more votes in every single demographic possible. He didn’t lose because people hate him. He lost because they counted illegal votes.
He won. BIGLY.
Posted on 6/23/22 at 12:44 am to Shreveportolewarskul
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We must realize that no matter if Hitler were the declared candidate of the left that he'd be in a deadlock with Trump.
Posted on 6/23/22 at 12:56 am to Shreveportolewarskul
Until elections are completely transparent and 100% auditable, any reasonable person should presume the results are fraudulent
Posted on 6/23/22 at 12:58 am to Shreveportolewarskul
Your magic DeSantis Claus won't run. The hard on y'all have for him is pretty amazing.
If he runs against Trump, he's a dick. And I won't vote for him if he does. But unlike you, I don't think he is that stupid.
By running against Trump he'll be taking a YUGE risk. Trump destroyed all republicans running against him in 2016. Trump could destroy him. There's no reason to put himself thru that, considering he'll be a shoo-in in 2028. Besides, he's running for gov of Florida again. He'll be even more magical for you guys in 6 years, bringing you lots of toys.
If he runs against Trump, he's a dick. And I won't vote for him if he does. But unlike you, I don't think he is that stupid.
By running against Trump he'll be taking a YUGE risk. Trump destroyed all republicans running against him in 2016. Trump could destroy him. There's no reason to put himself thru that, considering he'll be a shoo-in in 2028. Besides, he's running for gov of Florida again. He'll be even more magical for you guys in 6 years, bringing you lots of toys.
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Posted on 6/23/22 at 1:48 am to Langland
Trump seems stalled at 42 to 44 even despite Biden being 10 points behind him in popularity. Biden running in 2024, which will not happen, is our best hope. Add 4 points to Trump but he can't get past 48 which makes 2024 tossup again. Doesn't it strike anyone as slightly disconcerting that the Biden's numbers are as poor as anyone since Truman's doldrums and yet is tied at the worst with Trump. Doesn't that concern you?
No one but DeSantis is an alternative. He has shown in Florida an executive level of competence with a loyal staff that is amazing.
It's time we discussed this without pejoratives. Can anyone say that DeSantis has not been far more effective as an executive in accomplishing our goals? At least from 2020?
Id much prefer Trump seek the speaker of the house for 2022 and go from there but as far as national electability, DeSantis has much more potential with few if any of the drawbacks. He's articulate and precise. Like all politicians he has an ego but it is much more concealed and restrained than Trump's. I am unaware of any policy that he's been to the left of Trump. My slight concern is foreign policy for which he hasn't been vetted as of yet....but Trump picked one buffoon after another to help him and it cost us the election! John Bolton says hello.
DeSantis is a thoroughbred who should never he relegated to the VP. Just read and see the pics of his 2018 opponent he barely beat. 21 counts of fraud and caught in the nude with a man. Now Florida is as red as Texas. In 2 years he turned purple into red. Imagine if Georgia, or Pennsylvania etc. had such leadership. He's hit all of trumps points except for covid which he almost singularly as a governor stood up against Trump and bidens cdc. And he's so young....
Trump at 78 will be a huge problem.
Reagan was 77 when he left office.
FDR was 63 when he died in 45.
We need a youth movement.
No one but DeSantis is an alternative. He has shown in Florida an executive level of competence with a loyal staff that is amazing.
It's time we discussed this without pejoratives. Can anyone say that DeSantis has not been far more effective as an executive in accomplishing our goals? At least from 2020?
Id much prefer Trump seek the speaker of the house for 2022 and go from there but as far as national electability, DeSantis has much more potential with few if any of the drawbacks. He's articulate and precise. Like all politicians he has an ego but it is much more concealed and restrained than Trump's. I am unaware of any policy that he's been to the left of Trump. My slight concern is foreign policy for which he hasn't been vetted as of yet....but Trump picked one buffoon after another to help him and it cost us the election! John Bolton says hello.
DeSantis is a thoroughbred who should never he relegated to the VP. Just read and see the pics of his 2018 opponent he barely beat. 21 counts of fraud and caught in the nude with a man. Now Florida is as red as Texas. In 2 years he turned purple into red. Imagine if Georgia, or Pennsylvania etc. had such leadership. He's hit all of trumps points except for covid which he almost singularly as a governor stood up against Trump and bidens cdc. And he's so young....
Trump at 78 will be a huge problem.
Reagan was 77 when he left office.
FDR was 63 when he died in 45.
We need a youth movement.
Posted on 6/23/22 at 1:54 am to Langland
You won't vote for him over Trump or not for him entirely?
I will whip in line for Trump if that's where things go but my main point is ot will be another nailbiter. Andikely will lose. I can't help it but 5% of the swing elaborate won't vote for Trump. Biden likely cheated on the swing states but he dfont beat our guy by 5 million.
DeSantis would kill it if the election were held in Nov. 2022. You know it and with Trump it would go down to the wire
I will whip in line for Trump if that's where things go but my main point is ot will be another nailbiter. Andikely will lose. I can't help it but 5% of the swing elaborate won't vote for Trump. Biden likely cheated on the swing states but he dfont beat our guy by 5 million.
DeSantis would kill it if the election were held in Nov. 2022. You know it and with Trump it would go down to the wire
Posted on 6/23/22 at 2:02 am to Shreveportolewarskul
If you believe Trump can swing that suburban mom baggage than let's roll. I don't think Trump will move the needle past where he won in 2016. And lost in 2020.
Can we not find someone younger than 78 who isn't obsessed with the past election. Nixon was screwed worse than Trump. I could go on and on. Samuel J. Tilden? They got over it and moved on. Well maybe not Tilden but Andrew Jackson sure did..
Can we not find someone younger than 78 who isn't obsessed with the past election. Nixon was screwed worse than Trump. I could go on and on. Samuel J. Tilden? They got over it and moved on. Well maybe not Tilden but Andrew Jackson sure did..
Posted on 6/23/22 at 2:09 am to Cool Hand Luke
I agree about the poll numbers. Every single one in 2016 and 2020 nearly all predicted not only defeat but oblivion.
I realize I shouldn't put too much stock in polls so far out but damn it Trump should be better than the low 40s rn.
Generic Republicans are beating generic dems rn by 3 to 5 points. In a non presidential election year that could mean 1994 again
And yet Trump is tied with Biden right now
That concerns me greatly
I realize I shouldn't put too much stock in polls so far out but damn it Trump should be better than the low 40s rn.
Generic Republicans are beating generic dems rn by 3 to 5 points. In a non presidential election year that could mean 1994 again
And yet Trump is tied with Biden right now
That concerns me greatly
Posted on 6/23/22 at 2:16 am to Langland
I exaggerate and should never have used the Hitler or Stalin word.
Show me any poll where Trump is outpacing the generic Rs. He's lagging badly.
Show me any poll where Trump is outpacing the generic Rs. He's lagging badly.
Posted on 6/23/22 at 2:22 am to Langland
I exaggerate and should never have used the Hitler or Stalin word.
Show me any poll where Trump is outpacing the generic Rs. He's lagging badly.
Show me any poll where Trump is outpacing the generic Rs. He's lagging badly.
Posted on 6/23/22 at 4:21 am to BoarEd
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TLDR. Trump owns the GOP now. He will be your next POTUS. Period.
Can Trump get 85 million votes? Because that is what it is going to take to win in. 2024. Democrats will come out in droves just to vote against Trump. Trump rallies the Left like no other person on planet earth. I’m not even sure Trump could beat a Harris-Mayor Pete ticket. It doesn’t matter how bad things get economically Libs will vote against Trump. They simply don’t care and hate him that much.
Posted on 6/23/22 at 4:49 am to ronricks
Practically everyone knows Trump lost due to fraud. I’ve yet to meet anyone who’s not an idiot who doesn’t believe this. Anti-Trump people just believe it was okay and that the ends justified the means. They will rarely admit this, though and will only do this in a private, non confrontational setting. They mostly avoid speaking about it.
Posted on 6/23/22 at 5:42 am to Shreveportolewarskul
If voter fraud in large counties in select swing states is the reason Trump lost, it doesn’t matter who the Republicans put on the ticket.
If Trump lost due to media manipulation, just remember there is no unknown dirt on Trump, no surprises. Any other candidate will be treated like Trump, but another candidate might have skeletons in their closet. Plus if the don’t, the media will tell us they do and it will take years to prove otherwise.
I’m amazed at the naive posters on this board that don’t realize whatever was done in 2020 is going to be done in 2024 no matter what Republican gets the nomination.
If Trump lost due to media manipulation, just remember there is no unknown dirt on Trump, no surprises. Any other candidate will be treated like Trump, but another candidate might have skeletons in their closet. Plus if the don’t, the media will tell us they do and it will take years to prove otherwise.
I’m amazed at the naive posters on this board that don’t realize whatever was done in 2020 is going to be done in 2024 no matter what Republican gets the nomination.
Posted on 6/23/22 at 5:47 am to Shreveportolewarskul
You think saying “druthers” in your first sentence makes your opinion more valid? Oh and “chicanery” in your last? LOL
Posted on 6/23/22 at 5:53 am to Shreveportolewarskul
The Left will burn every city in this Nation for their “fundamental change “ cause if they can’t cheat and win. Muh Dictator Muh Democracy. That is “hard to accept “ but war always is. Marxism v Capitalism/ Constitutional Freedom isn’t settled by votes as votes are the issue/problem.
Posted on 6/23/22 at 6:12 am to Shreveportolewarskul
Let’s just vote in all rhinos because they are more likely to win the general election. You guys are separating the patriot base when we don’t even know if Desantis will run .
Posted on 6/23/22 at 6:18 am to MightyYat
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It only came to be that close because they flat out cheated.
And what has been done in Michigan Pennsylvania and Georgia specifically to ensure that it doesn’t happen again? No one ever answers me on this
Everyone knew about the changes going in and predicted the shenanigans yet Trump had a republican senate scotus had his hand picked AG and oh yeah was the president of the United States and did nothing. Yet I’m supposed to believe that he has a better shot now as an unemployed golf bum?
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