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The PM should advise the Queen to exercise her reserve powers & Make Britain Great Again!
Posted on 9/6/19 at 1:38 pm
Posted on 9/6/19 at 1:38 pm
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The passage of Mr Benn's bill through the House of Lords was the latest blow for the embattled PM in a disastrous week which has seen him repeatedly defeated at Westminster, lose his majority, fail to call a snap election, expel 21 of his MPs and watch his own brother walk out of his government.
The legislation, tabled after MPs seized control of the Commons agenda, is now due to become law by going to the Queen for royal assent before parliamentary sittings are suspended next week.
Now that the "Parliament Gives the Middle Finger to the British People Bill" has passed through the House of Lords it heads to Queen for royal assent. Most people forget that the Queen's reserve powers allow her to delay royal assent (aka veto) to any legislation on the advice of her ministers. Royal assent has not been delayed since 1708, but it is still there. PM Johnson is having dinner with the Queen tonight, and I think we all know that he will advise against royal assent for the bill.
It probably will not happen, but there would be the most jolly good meltdown if it did happen.
This post was edited on 9/6/19 at 4:15 pm
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Posted on 9/6/19 at 1:43 pm to WeeWee
I would love to see her not just delay but do so by issuing a rebuke of Parlaiment flouting the will of the people and thus the law by willfully and purposely dragging their feet in exiting the EU.
It could not have a more apt name.
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the "Parliament Gives the Middle Finger to the British People Bill"
It could not have a more apt name.
Posted on 9/6/19 at 1:46 pm to Boatshoes
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Please let this happen.
I highly doubt that Johnson advises the Queen to give royal assent to the bill that strips him of all his leverage to negotiate with the EU. If the Queen cares about the will of her subjects then she should delay royal assent on the advice of her ministers.
Posted on 9/6/19 at 1:50 pm to WeeWee
Would that be "Make Great Britain Great Again" or "Make Britain Great Again" or "Make Great Britain Again".
Posted on 9/6/19 at 1:53 pm to Bard
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I would love to see her not just delay but do so by issuing a rebuke of Parlaiment flouting the will of the people and thus the law by willfully and purposely dragging their feet in exiting the EU.
Well she does have the right to appear before Parliament and give, deny, or delay royal assent in person if she chooses to and Parliament cannot object. Now that would be something worth watching over tea and crumpets.
This post was edited on 9/6/19 at 2:03 pm
Posted on 9/6/19 at 1:54 pm to Walkthedawg
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Make Great Britain Great Again"
I could not fit all of that into the title but that is the correct answer.
Posted on 9/6/19 at 1:56 pm to WeeWee
No way is the Queen getting on the Johnson train.
Posted on 9/6/19 at 2:02 pm to VOR
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No way is the Queen getting on the Johnson train.
Then why did she agree to prorogue Parliament last week?
Posted on 9/6/19 at 2:06 pm to WeeWee
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Make Great Britain Great Again"
I could not fit all of that into the title but that is the correct answer.
MGBGA - sounds to much like Mugabe
Posted on 9/6/19 at 2:07 pm to WeeWee
Because that is her role, to give assent to the government when it asks for the rubber stamp.
Her power and authority over Parliament being a mere formality is only reason she’s allowed to still be Queen. The moment she or her successors change that, they will be removed altogether.
Her power and authority over Parliament being a mere formality is only reason she’s allowed to still be Queen. The moment she or her successors change that, they will be removed altogether.
This post was edited on 9/6/19 at 2:09 pm
Posted on 9/6/19 at 2:07 pm to WeeWee
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Then why did she agree to prorogue Parliament last week?
As far as I'm aware, it's rare for the monarch to refuse a PM's request for prorogation. Agreeing to prorogation isn't necessarily an endorsement.
Posted on 9/6/19 at 2:08 pm to WeeWee
It’s been over 3 years since the referendum. The Parliament is a bunch of globalist scum. A no-deal Brexit is the only way. That being said, I don’t see how the Queen interfering is going to be a good thing.
Posted on 9/6/19 at 2:20 pm to Indefatigable
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Because that is her role, to give assent to the government when it asks for the rubber stamp.
No. The Sovereign retains the right to withhold or delay royal assent if the PM advises it.
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By convention, the monarch always assents to bills; the last time the royal assent was not given was in 1708 during the reign of Queen Anne when she withheld royal assent from the Scottish Militia Bill. This does not mean that the right to refuse has died
It has not been used in a long time but it is still there.
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Her power and authority over Parliament being a mere formality is only reason she’s allowed to still be Queen. The moment she or her successors change that, they will be removed altogether.
The British people love the royal family. In 2009, the Labour government tried to limit the Queen's reserve powers and failed. Not only did they fail, but it costs them their majority in 2010.
Posted on 9/6/19 at 2:21 pm to TeLeFaWx
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It’s been over 3 years since the referendum. The Parliament is a bunch of globalist scum. A no-deal Brexit is the only way. That being said, I don’t see how the Queen interfering is going to be a good thing.
It force the opposition to agree to a snap election in October in order to have any hope of avoiding a no deal Brexit.
Posted on 9/6/19 at 2:33 pm to WeeWee
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has not been used in a long time but it is still there.
Quite a long time indeed what’s it been, some 300 years? It has been made very clear since that time that Parliament is paramount. It’s almost as if there is no actually authority or discretion behind the royal asset at all.....like a rubber stamp.
So yes you can say that she *has* that power, but Parliament did not intend for her to use it when they allowed the royals to keep it. if she does use it for something like Brexit, royal assent will not last another decade.
Posted on 9/6/19 at 2:54 pm to WeeWee
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The PM should advise the Queen toexercise her reserve powers & Make Britain Great Again!
quote:I'll never get the we're all about "self-determination," and "the opinion of anyone else is unwelcome," then we turn around and say what other nations should or shouldn't do, even though a significant portion of the population in that nation shares the opposite view.
Now that the "Parliament Gives the Middle Finger to the British People Bill"
I mean I was just in the UK, and both Trump and Brexit were the two topics that people brought up a lot when people found out we were Americans.
Now granted I interacted with people primarily from regions and/or demographics that voted no and who wouldn't typically like Trump. And granted Brexit is much more personal but their disdain for Brexit was so EXTREME and their disdain for Trump was surprisingly not extreme at all, more dumbfound but curious than anything. I think it may be because they can see that our system makes mob ruling a lot more difficult.
Interestingly though, we talked to a drunk guy at a hotel bar who went on a rant about the problems with Brexit, the racists who voted for it, etc., typical leftist ranting, but then went on another long rant about how awesome the 2nd amendment is and how frustrated he is to not be able to arms himself to protect his home and family.
Posted on 9/6/19 at 2:55 pm to Indefatigable
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Quite a long time indeed what’s it been, some 300 years? It has been made very clear since that time that Parliament is paramount. It’s almost as if there is no actually authority or discretion behind the royal asset at all.....like a rubber stamp.
So yes you can say that she *has* that power, but Parliament did not intend for her to use it when they allowed the royals to keep it.
Whoops. If they did not want her to use then they should not have let her keep it.
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if she does use it for something like Brexit, royal assent will not last another decade.
Why do you say that? The British people voted for Brexit. The British people love the monarchy and ultimately the British people elect Parliament.
Also she would not be endorsing Brexit. Royal assent does not have a deadline like the American Presidential veto. By delaying ascent she would just untie Johnson's hands which will allow him to negotiate a Brexit deal before 10/31/19 because the threat of a no deal would still be on the table or it would force Parliament to back Johnson's calls for a snap election. If Johnson does not get a deal then she can grant royal assent on 10/30/19 which would force Johnson to ask for the extension.
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if she does use it for something like Brexit, royal assent will not last another decade.
Yeah sure. The last time a party tried to touch royal assent it almost destroyed the Labour party.
Posted on 9/6/19 at 2:58 pm to buckeye_vol
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I'll never get the we're all about "self-determination," and "the opinion of anyone else is unwelcome," then we turn around and say what other nations should or shouldn't do, even though a significant portion of the population in that nation shares the opposite view.
Self-determination is the people of a nation deciding on a policy like the people of the UK deciding to leave the EU. Saying what they should or should not do is just offering a personal opinion nothing more.
Posted on 9/6/19 at 3:00 pm to crazy4lsu
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As far as I'm aware, it's rare for the monarch to refuse a PM's request for prorogation. Agreeing to prorogation isn't necessarily an endorsement.
It is also extremely rare for a Sovereign to act against the advice of her ministers.
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